bi-amping

mikkeljr

I have emotive UMC-200 and UPA-700, im running tsi500 fronts. normal is 8 ohms. does the ohm rating change when bi-amped. upa-700 puts out 80x7 8ohms and 100x7 4ohms. im running 5.1, that leaves two open channels I can use to bi amp the fronts. how are the towers wired. anyone's input is helpful

eclypse

Never heard anyone metion that the ohms would lower if bi amped before so I would assume no.. no expert though.

You will have to use a "Y" splitter for both fronts (L and R) and each end of the y would need to go to a seperate open channel on your UPA-700.

F1nut

It's still not really bi-amping. That requires separate amps, each with its own power supply and active crossovers.

eclypse

Also on the back of your speaker you would need 2 sets of speaker connections for Bi amping. If theres a metal bracket (jumper) that connects the sets, you will need to remove that first. Then from your amp you will need a set coming from one channel to either the top or bottom set of speaker connections and then from the other channel on your amp you will need to connect those speaker cables to the other open set of connections on the speaker. Then repeat for the other front speaker. So in the end you'll have 2 sets of speaker wires going to each speaker from a different channel on your amp. Each set from a different channel from your amp.

eclypse

Still gota give him more watts for the fronts in the end. If he's got the space why not see how it sounds.

mikkeljr

the reason I asked about the ohms because not sure how they are wired. with the bus bars connecting the two connectors, makes them parallel. if I remove them the ohms change?

correct me if im wrong.
if 8ohms coils

driver 1 series to driver 2 is now 16 ohm load \
\
these are paralleled by bus bars now a 8 ohm load
/
driver 3 series to driver 4 is now 16 ohm load /


if this is right, removing bars would leave a 16 load on each set and would draw less watts from amp

F1nut

Read this, http://sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm

F1nut

mikkeljr wrote: »

the reason I asked about the ohms because not sure how they are wired. with the bus bars connecting the two connectors, makes them parallel. if I remove them the ohms change?

correct me if im wrong.

You're wrong, The speakers are rated 8 ohm nominal, period.

tonyb

mikkeljr wrote: »

I have emotive UMC-200 and UPA-700, im running tsi500 fronts. normal is 8 ohms. does the ohm rating change when bi-amped. upa-700 puts out 80x7 8ohms and 100x7 4ohms. im running 5.1, that leaves two open channels I can use to bi amp the fronts. how are the towers wired. anyone's input is helpful

To answer the main question, you need a Y splitter for each front pre-out. Then that's 2 interconnect rca cables coming out of that Y with each going to a separate channel on the amplifier. Remove the brass plate on the back of the speaker that connects the top and bottom posts. Run your speaker wire from the top post to the amp, and the bottom post you'll run another set of wire. Do that for each speaker you want to supposedly bi-amp.

Will it change the ohms ? No

That being said, the TSI line is pretty easy to drive with any AVR. Maybe weigh in the cost of splitters, extra IC's and extra speaker cable. Also note the top portion of that speaker probably uses less than 20 watts, maybe even less than 10 so what ever power you feed it, what it doesn't use will be lost and not available to the other channels. Follow ?

You didn't mention the receiver your using or other speakers either. Subwoofer ? Is there something your not liking about the sound that makes you want to use this bi-amp idea ? Personally, I would sell both amps and buy one better 2 channel amp and let the receiver handle the rest. Just my .02

ZLTFUL

tonyb wrote: »

Personally, I would sell both amps and buy one better 2 channel amp and let the receiver handle the rest. Just my .02

This right here will be the biggest, most positive impact you can make on sound.

True active bi-amping requires you to use separate amps, an active crossover and bypassing the passive crossovers in the speakers as F1nut pointed out.
Passive by-amping isn't going to gain you much at all as a 3db increase in volume at a given gain level requires double the power. And at 80 watts --> 160 watts, that power is going to be wasted because as Tony said, the high frequency side of your TSis will only require/use 20 watts or less.

*If* you are using a quality AVR or surround pre/pro(I assume so since you are using a separate amp), the amp section should easily handle the remainder of the 5.1 system and a 2 channel amp will be of greater benefit.

mikkeljr

I was just thinking because the emotiva umc-200 7.1 processor and the upa-700 are both 7 channels. Im only running 5.1 so I had to open channels still. The processor is compatible of 5.1 and bi amping the front channels with the two remainder channels

tonyb

Yeah, we get that my friend. But, for the sake of a movie sound experience why not just add 2 more speakers ? Seems that would benefit you more than bi-amping speakers that really don't need it.

mikkeljr

Ok thanks guys

pitdogg2

mikkeljr wrote: »

the reason I asked about the ohms because not sure how they are wired. with the bus bars connecting the two connectors, makes them parallel. if I remove them the ohms change?

correct me if im wrong.
if 8ohms coils

no that shouldn't be the case it just separates the high and the lows both woofers will be the same

samreddevilz

Yeah, we get that my friend. But, for the sake of a movie sound experience why not just add 2 more speakers ? hope you'll get some benefit from this....

pitdogg2

samreddevilz wrote: »

Yeah, we get that my friend. But, for the sake of a movie sound experience why not just add 2 more speakers ? hope you'll get some benefit from this....

Why do you keep parroting others quotes. If you have nothing to add but others quotes as your own just go away.

pitdogg2

tonyb wrote: »

Yeah, we get that my friend. But, for the sake of a movie sound experience why not just add 2 more speakers ? Seems that would benefit you more than bi-amping speakers that really don't need it.

samreddevilz wrote: »

Yeah, we get that my friend. But, for the sake of a movie sound experience why not just add 2 more speakers ? hope you'll get some benefit from this....

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chindman

The impedance doesn't change with your proposed arrangements because the high and low ends both have about 8 Ohms in their nominal frequency ranges, just much higher impedance for the frequencies that they don't service. So when wired in parallel they present 8 Ohms across the board, but are still 8 Ohms when separated at the frequencies that matter respectively for each driver. Unless you are really power starved and are getting noticable distortion from the amplifier (not the speakesr!) with your current setup there is no reason to consider biamping.

F1Nut is right however, you have little to gain by bi-amping here. To get enough of what biamping has give to worth the trouble, you need low level crossovers AHEAD of two separate power amplifiers and bypassing/elimination of the crossover components in the speakers.(this reqiures brain surgery on the speakers) Unless you know what you are up to and have knowledge of the responses of the unprotected drivers in the particular speaker you are working with I do not recommend real world bi-amping since you can fry the tweeter a/o midrange speaker if the crossover is not set up properly before powering the amplifiers.

The plus side is that with your proposed arrangement you aren't going to hurt anything, just don't expect much.

Poolgod69

Read this, http://sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm

Ok... I read it. And I will have to read it 5 more times to understand it...lol