Sorry....

Demiurge · December 2003

Hey...

I feel I need to apologize to a few people for being an **** on the football thread where my moronic Packers manage to lose a 24 point lead over the Chiefs.

I cannot believe they lost. This is the NFL. **** like that isn't supposed to happen....anyhow...sorry....I was kind of a choad and I like Henry a lot and I know he's a Chiefs fan so he prolly didn't like how I was being...

....anywho....hopefully my team will make it into the playoffs (HIGHLY propable, bites tongue, knocks on wood :eek:

) and we'll have a superbowl re-match!

Hey I canhope can't I?

I know my days of having a winning team will be over soon. When the beloved golden boy retires.

Football means something 39472349237479237293572398524684597647956 times more here than in any other state. If you don't, or never did live here you wouldn't understand, but it's true. This is a lifestyle and I take it as more than a game. When my team loses a game I have a bad day at work. Everyone is like that.

Loud & Clear · December 2003

Originally posted by Demiurge
Football means something 39472349237479237293572398524684597647956 times more here than in any other state. If you don't, or never did live here you wouldn't understand, but it's true.

This is extremely uninformed.

jdhdiggs · December 2003

Might have to go read that but I'm impressed that you apolgized. I hate the Chiefs as well, being a Donkey's fan. (Guess you hate them too)

I do think all of your Texas Bretheren on this board knows how important football can get to a society and how nuts and emotional people can get. Example: -Local news has more high school football coverage than all other sports other than football around here during the season. OU-Texas is nuts-250K people all drunk in downtown for a college game...

Glad to hear you realize you were an **** and enough of a man to admit it. For that I give you some props...

section19 · December 2003

Yes, football is definitely king here in Wisconsin. We have no NHL team and might as well have no MLB team.

The Bucks pretty much suck. So that leaves us the Packers and the Badgers.

But I don't know if I'd say it's more important than it is in other states. jd already mentioned Texas. I would add Florida to that list. I've heard that H.S. games can have 10,000 + in attendance. I don't think you'll see that here. Plus Florida = 3 NFL teams and how many major college programs? Miami, Florida, Florida State. I'm probably forgetting some. Texas = 2 NFL teams and probably even more major college teams the FLA.

So obviously football is popular bigtime in those states. The one thing that differs, I suppose, is that the football fanaticism is more dilluted in those states because of all the big teams they have. Here in WI perhaps you could argue that Packer fans are more rabid since it's the only game in town, so to speak.

Anyway, demi, I remember the post you speak of. You jumped the gun a little as far as gloating about the win. It kind of came back and bit you, I guess. It's stand up of you to eat crow about it.

I can relate to the Monday morning funk created by a Packer loss. I've experienced it many times in the past. I'm happy to say that I do a better job of putting things in perpsective these days. Having kids can do that. It did for me at least. Life goes on win or lose. I figure if I can't have fun watching the game (win or not) I probably should find a different pasttime.

Go Packers and Go Chiefs (beat the damn Vikings).

VR3 · December 2003

Down here, with the two rival teams played for football, there was over 9,000 people in our Stadium! For High School.....

GZ · December 2003

Personally, I'd much rather watch the Badgers than the Packers.

Frank Z · December 2003

Me and you, in 9 days buddy! Packers vs. Broncos!

You wanna piece of me?!?!;)

(It's going to be a helluva game and IN HD no less!!)

brettw22 · December 2003

Originally posted by Demiurge
I feel I need to apologize to a few people for being an **** on the football thread where my moronic Packers manage to lose a 24 point lead over the Chiefs.

Of all the things on your list of things to apologize for, this is the one you picked? Sad............

F1nut · December 2003

It's almost Christmas, a little kindness to each other in here would go along way to honor the spirit of the season, eh?

Loud & Clear · December 2003

Originally posted by brettw22
Of all the things on your list of things to apologize for, this is the one you picked? Sad............

No doubt. The dude is weak.

Demiurge · December 2003

Originally posted by Loud & Clear
No doubt. The dude is weak.

Ok....Do me a favor and back off.

This is how fights start. I said my peace to those who I felt I needed to say it to. I don't need additional side comments from those who made some harsh side handed posts\PMs to me that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. It's football. It could have ended at that and it never would have gone further.

I have my reasons for not apologizing for my other comments. I don't take them back. I didn't post here for about 3 months after that and I just read the forums occasionally. What I read determined my reaction to all this now. I wanted to see if I was way out of line with some people (which I was) or if there were some people who LOVE to look for a fight and deserve whatever they get themselves into.

If you don't agree with me, i'm sorry, but that's just how it's going to be. I said what I needed to say and that's it.

As I said before...it's crap like that, that gets 'fights' started. Sometimes it's best to just shut your mouth and ignore. If you don't like me that's the best thing to do because I'll pull out all stops if you try coming after me like that. It's through my 3 months of just reading this forum that I came to understand that in this instance it's not just me who was wrong and who felt the way I did.

Anyhow...regarding the football comments, I apologize.

brettw22 · December 2003

So basically Demi, we're to acknowledge that you're a biggoted dick and accept it as part of you since you feel it's totally justifiable. I'll give ya brave.......but smart, you don't get.

Demiurge · December 2003

Originally posted by brettw22
So basically Demi, we're to acknowledge that you're a biggoted dick and accept it as part of you since you feel it's totally justifiable. I'll give ya brave.......but smart, you don't get.

Actually Brett. You need to look at yourself first and ask if your actions warranted the reaction you got. Of course you're going to say no, but analyzing yourself and your own behavior is always much more difficult than analyzing others. The answer to your question doesn't lie solely on that thread.

They lie on many others as well. It's not just you either. You are one of the ones I'm refering to, but until you want to be more civil with me I have no reason to withdraw my comments whether anyone likes it or not. You know what I'm talking about and until you recognize it I'm not going to extend the apology.

It's unfortunate that I can't share the PMs I had gotten on the matter, but if fairness to the authors they can make their own posts on the matter or share their thoughts that they feel they may or may not need to.

My point of view isn't one dimmensional and it's not one sided. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, as this thread would clearly indicate, but I'm not going to abandon a strong stance I've taken for a very valid reason without reason to. Do you think I'd lash out at you if I didn't have a reason? Apparently you think so because you're upset I didn't apologize to you.

I mean if you think I have foreboding premonitions of homosexuals you're kidding yourself, but it was indeed a vitriolic reation that was rooted in anger. Harsh? Sure, but I didn't instigate it.

I'm sorry that this can't be resolved in the manner you'd like it resolved in. I just know one thing. If you think that talking crap to me is going to get me to understand where you're coming from then it isn't worth it to try. This thread will just end up in the HOS, which is ironic because this was intended to be an apologetic thread to those whom I felt I owed an apology.

I'd be more than willing to work something out with you, but it's not a one person issue. You've gotta recognize something within yourself before an apology will mean something to you, because otherwise it's just a fallacy from me to you.

brettw22 · December 2003

LOL...you're an idiot.....

You've interpreted my comment earlier as my being angry that you never apologized. I wouldn't expect an apology from you considering the person that you've shown yourself to be. I just found it interesting that you would choose to apologize for something so incredibly trivial when in stark contrast, you made a comment that was so far out of line that it wasn't in the same ballpark as anything else. Your reaction ("Swallow a **** ****") to a sarcastic joke about a fat lady singing("No need for self portraits Demi

") tells far more about you than it does me, believe that. The fact that you feel that your reaction was warranted is even more comical to me. Did you really think that through before you said it? And if you did, how did you actually arrive at the conclusion that it was an appropriate thing to say? I'm amazed at the process that can make that leap.

I think that it would be great for you to cut/paste the text that you got in PM's from other people with regard to me. Leave out their names, I don't care. I'm always interested in what chicken **** talk people have to say behind ones back. The only purpose for me reading it would be to laugh at any that feel SO strongly of their opinion that they send it in PM form only. If they're comfortable with being that kind of spineless, then you guys enjoy your clique.

You might not like what I have to say, but you can't ever say that I didn't say what was on my mind. That's apparently proven to be bothersome to you. So be it.

You obviously have the right to apologize for whatever you want, and if you decide that football ranks up there as requiring your apologies, fine. Just realize that in making that specific choice, you make yourself look even worse than you had before, at least to me.......(see, I didn't even have to puss out and put this in a PM to ya.....neat, huh?)

Demiurge · December 2003

LOL...you're an idiot.....

Great start Brett. Just remember you're the one who started the flaming. I'm not going to sink to your level though. The fact remains that I don't really like you and it has nothing to do with the thread in question.

The reaction you got had nothing to do with your one comment. You're a habitual flamer on this board and it extends far beyond myself.

It's obvious you didn't read a word of what I wrote because any rational person would either not care what I think about them or do their best to make amends. They'd realize that they were wrong to. They'd ask themselves why a person would make such a vitriolic statement. It's apparent to me that you think my comment was unfounded and that I don't have a reason to dislike you thus far.

If that's the case it's best to leave this thread alone. It's not for you. If you really gave a crap about it I think you should have PMed me about it. I don't think I'm doing this forum any favors by airing dirty laundry and so I won't do it.

I'm not here looking for people to justify what I said. It's not justifiable in a sense that it's supposed to have any merit. It was meant to hurt you and for you to take offense. It's apparent that I succeded in this.

I don't really like being angry with people and so I usually try to fix the situation, which I've done with you in the past NUMEROUS times, but it does no good. In that case I stop talking to those particular people and expect the same.

You didn't do that and have been an ****. If you can't see it then that's not my problem. I know I've been an **** too, but it's completely reactionary.

I was an **** to some forum members I respect on that thread. I apologized because it wasn't reactionary to anything they said to me.

That's the end of it. If you really care to resolve anything then you should PM me because if you're going to start your next response like you did this one you're just wasting your time and I won't bother to read it.

You might not like what I have to say, but you can't ever say that I didn't say what was on my mind. That's apparently proven to be bothersome to you. So be it.

People should always speak their mind when it's appropriate. You need to pick your battles. If you think so lowly of me why are you bothering?

I think your real problem is that you think you can say anything you want and not be expected to defend your point of view. If I think you're wrong about something I'm going to argue that you're wrong and why.

That's called a debate. You've proven not to like those.

You obviously have the right to apologize for whatever you want, and if you decide that football ranks up there as requiring your apologies, fine. Just realize that in making that specific choice, you make yourself look even worse than you had before, at least to me.......(see, I didn't even have to puss out and put this in a PM to ya.....neat, huh?)

I know you'd like the other members to form their opinions of me based on your point of view.

That's fine. This is just a message board, and while that's true I usually really like coming here it has no bearing on my life if someone from a message board doesn't like me. I'd love everything to be copacetic, but it doesn't always work out that way.

Hey...If people want to buy what you're saying that's fine. I know I'm not off base in my reaction and I know that this forums members are smart enough to understand what I'm saying. I'm not looking for anyone to defend my comment. I know it was wrong in it's premise, but at this point I'm still not apologizing. It was meant to piss you off.

As far as PMs....they are a good thing. If you really gave a crap about this forum you'd do your best to solve individual problems with members through PMs.

My issue was an all out apology. There is no need for an arguement. You're entitled to your opinion of me, but thus far I don't care about it so why not drop it or try to make amends via PM?

brettw22 · December 2003

I have to laugh when you claim that I flame a lot of people on the boards. I guess if I was in your shoes I'd feel the same, but the fact is that I have mostly (with few exceptions) called people on stuff that is/was inappropriate IMO. You're obviously one that I don't like, which is a mutual thing, fine. I'd say that the other people that I've had direct issues with don't like me because of my opinion of their actions. That's not a reflection on me however.

I have nothing to make ammends to you for, so I wouldn't hold your breath for a PM from me. You have this interesting little habit of trying to prejudge people's reactions to your posts to make them believe that by reacting to the **** your spouting somehow makes them wrong. Quit it.

It's not justifiable in a sense that it's supposed to have any merit. It was meant to hurt you and for you to take offense. It's apparent that I succeded in this. ..............I know it was wrong in it's premise, but at this point I'm still not apologizing. It was meant to piss you off.

I would disagree with your assessment that I was offended by your comment. Does it raise a flag with me? Absolutely. I don't know of anyone that would pretend as if it had never been said, and it's laughable for you to think differently. If you feel that my not liking you warranted that, as you've stated you do, then you just keep on rockin that attitude, and I'll keep on callin ya on it. I think that it shows a lot about you as a person by making the comment at all, regardless of your reasoning/justification behind it. That you, or anyone else, would make such a comment is a pretty sad thing, and if you're not able to acknowledge that, you've got severe problems.

Regarding your claim that others have big problems with me. I have yet to receive a PM from someone that hasn't been addressed. If there are others that have chosen to just sit there and talk **** about me through PM's to everyone but me, **** em. I couldn't care less if they can't balls up and say what they have to say to me. To believe that I should care would be a fallacy.

What's a bit more comical is that your comments to me generally claim to involve a lot of other people. If you're own two feet aren't enough Demi, sit down and keep your mouth shut.

Tour2ma · December 2003

I had hopes this was going to be a genuine apology, but no...

Demi,

If you think anyone was offended by your giddy support of the Packers, you're wrong. You were crowing for the better part of the KC game and set yourself up for a fall. All the postgame replies were having some fun at your expense. Bottom line... you were not big enough to handle it.

You lashed out at one member in a completely unacceptable manner, got called on it and slunk away. Please feel free to do so again.

Demiurge · December 2003

Originally posted by Tour2ma
You lashed out at one member in a completely unacceptable manner, got called on it and slunk away. Please feel free to do so again.

I lashed out on one member. That should tell you something. I ate everything else up, didn't I? Yes, I did.

So if you had hopes it was going to be a genuine apology I'm sorry it didn't meet your expectations. I apologized to those who I owed an apology though. Since you can't read my PMs or Emails I don't expect you to understand why I'm not going to apologize to him.

I'm sorry that It can't be explained the way you guys could understand it.

Furthermore....His actions supercede that thread. My reaction had nothing to do with a football game. He was asked by the administration to stop bothering me in threads as well as others he loves to cause drama with because all he does is cause uneeded arguements. I'm sure the MULTIPLE threads in question can be found in the H.O.S.

I've more than explained my point of view. If you don't like what I have to offer I'm sorry. Take it or leave it. Until the OTHER party wants to concede a little I have no reason to apologize for my wrong doing.

I can't believe none of you can even recognize the fact that I'm not trying to defend my comments. I just know that in this particular instance that I'm also owed an apology and since you guys don't know the specifics I'm not mad atcha' for not understanding.

Sorry I couldn't be more of a help Tour.

Dave

***PS*** - It's not worth trying to force me into an apology that isn't honest. I'm not trying to hide my thoughts from anyone. If he wants to understand why he was told to go suck one he can PM me and we can talk about it. This thread is a PERFECT example of why I feel the way I do.

"He's the **** who is completely wrong and I did nothing to instigate such an attack."

That's the 'rationale' I'm dealing with....unbelieveable.

brettw22 · December 2003

I think you don't understand Demi. I understand your reasoning for not liking me. That's not the issue, as I couldn't care less about you and me getting along.

If you're not going to produce PM's or Email content, keep everyone else out of it. You could learn a lot if you'd pay attention to my closing line in my last post. Those that have gone chicken **** with regard to me are apparently comfortable there and have made no issue with me on the board that I'm aware of.....so be it. You on the other hand made a comment that was way out of line, regardless of your disdain for me. The fact that you can't/won't acknowledge that speaks volumes.....

By no means am I wanting you to like me, and sending a PM to you to get you to won't ever happen. Pull your head out of your ****........

Bonus points if you can actually figure out what the problem I have with your behavior is with regard to that comment and why I'd mention it in this thread.....

Demiurge · December 2003

I understand quite well. We just don't agree, apparently, which is why it's most likely best to let this die and let people form whatever opinion they want. I don't care what most people here think of me, but the ones I do care about I want to know that I apologized to them. That's all.

I'm not apologizing to you because you've made some similar comments. Just because you're **** and I called you a '****' doesn't mean the **** I've been called by you is on some lower level of sensitivity. I know my comment was disrespectful and hurtful. That was the idea. Why should I feel obligated to make amends when you've got no intentions of doing the same?

As far as the PMs and emails are concerned....It was meant to show you that the fundamental sentiments I hold aren't one dimmensional. Nobody was defending my comments, not even me. I already know you know it, but it needed to be said regardless. You think you get some untouchable pass just because of your orientation, sorry, but screw that. Treat me with respect and I'll do the same to you.

None of this has to do with any disagreements you may have with me or anyone else. It has to do with your attitude & demeanor. I react in kind. You, and others act as if my comment came from nowhere and that it's the ultimate insult. I've read worse here.

By no means am I wanting you to like me, and sending a PM to you to get you to won't ever happen. Pull your head out of your ****........

See how pigheaded this is? I'm not going to start kissing your **** and acting like I'm not ofended by things you've said if you can't even aknowledge the crux of the problem. I didn't say what I said for no reason. I've been sick and tired of your constant side comments on the threads I start.

Even the Polk moderators had to tell you to leave it alone. I don't look for Brett's posts and threads so I can act like a little ****. It's immature. Don't you get that? You'll never find a single post of mine towards you that seeks you out since our initial 'problem'.

I'm not asking for you to like me. All I've ever asked was for some civility. Since I never recieved it months after the initial squabble why the hell should I expect different now? I'm just supposed to take your **** and not give it back? I'd love to solve this, but up to this point I was the only one trying. It's not on my shoulders anymore.

wlrandall · December 2003

ENOUGH!!

Take it off topic or to email if you need to.

Demiurge · December 2003

This is the off topic forum.....

F1nut · December 2003

You two sound like you've been married for 50 years, enough already!!!

dave shepard · December 2003

Originally posted by Demiurge
Just because you're **** and I called you a '****'

WHAT SOMEBODY'S ****!!!!:rolleyes: I don't know about anybody else but I could care less. But things like this could discourage newbees from posting if they would happen across this first.

Dave

VR3 · December 2003

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*YOU MOTHER BEEEEEEEEEEEEP* *BEEEEEEEEEEEP* *BEEP* *BEEEEP* *BEP* BEEEEEEEEEP* *Why did you BEEEEEEEEEEP*

*fight breaks out*

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Hahaha! Yall are FUNNY!

brettw22 · December 2003

Another brilliant post by Sid........yay.

HBombToo · December 2003

Originally posted by dave shepard
WHAT SOMEBODY'S ****!!!!:rolleyes: I don't know about anybody else but I could care less. But things like this could discourage newbees from posting if they would happen across this first.

Dave

Agreed!!!

BTW, The mancave has become Santa's warehouse and if you guys don't settel down its COAL for you! Me and Ms Clause have it going on:p
So lets have some fun and enjoy what this special time of the year is intended.
HBomb

VR3 · December 2003

Originally posted by brettw22
Another brilliant post by Sid........yay.

Yup, it's been a while since I made one. Thought I would lighten the mood! Thank god Brett is here to save the day! :rolleyes:

brettw22 · December 2003

Originally posted by Demiurge
You think you get some untouchable pass just because of your orientation, sorry, but screw that.

That's not true at all Demi, and for you to try and slide that one by is a farce. I know that by now you're smart enough to know that when you act like an idiot, I'm going to tell you as such. The same can be said when you show the type of ignorance that you have here, and (surely you can't be surprised) that I'm pointing out your ignorance for you. See how that works? (I'm holdin out hope that you draw the conclusion on your other behaviors and see the difference between what you're **ultimately** defending, though claiming not to)

As much as I wanna jump on the victimization train (party of one), I'm gonna pass. I know you're a big boy and can make it through this rough and trying time for ya.......but if you need help, I'll kick ya in your **** to make ya see the light. It'll happen.........someday, it'll happen......(you seeing the light, since i know you would go somewhere else with that).

Demiurge · December 2003

Yeah, whatever Brett.

Sorry....

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