Generation of whiners

BlueFox

Made me think of some current CP members.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?hpt=hp_t5#/video/bestoftv/2013/04/04/thepoint-nation-of-whiners.cnn

Systems

Made me think of some current CP members.

Maybe, but I would think a member is a member.
Is that not the case?

Or are there "better members" and "whiner members"?
The whole net is filled with people who are unhappy.

Where does that leave you?

BlueFox

Whining about whiners.

Systems

BlueFox wrote: »

Whining about whiners.

Nice!

F1nut

Perfect timing!!!

tonyb

More so a generation of entitlement mentality that has permeated society. Actually, a few generations, and some even older ones that have converted.

headrott

F1nut wrote: »

Perfect timing!!!

:cheesygrin:

obieone

Why do you think I asked people to stop ELECTING "Trophy Kids"??!

Toolfan66

I've been working here for 6 months and I can't get a $4 raise??

tonyb

Toolfan66 wrote: »

I've been working here for 6 months and I can't get a $4 raise??

LOL.....Yeppers.....and the fast food workers are picketing because they can't raise a family, make ends meet on minimum wage. Say what ??? You have to laugh at these morons otherwise you'll cry at how dumbed down we have become.

cnh

BlueFox wrote: »

Made me think of some current CP members.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?hpt=hp_t5#/video/bestoftv/2013/04/04/thepoint-nation-of-whiners.cnn

As an educator at an elite college I see A LOT of this. Not so much from the kids who come from the "bottom" because they haven't lived with the PRIVILEGE that makes them think they are SOMETHING! That's pretty much relegated to "some" (by no means all) of the students whose parents can afford to pay the $56K+ tuition out of their pockets.

So don't "we" need to qualify just who we are referring to? Give it a "context". I can certainly provide one!

There is a LOT of wisdom in a few pages of Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five where he tells us of some words of wisdom you can find in almost any American bar, and why they are there. Of course, if you're unfamiliar with that part of America, if you're a panel of affluent commentators talking about kids whose parents can PROBABLY afford NYU tuition and fees, then, we're not really talking about "anything" that's relevant here. Because those kids will not end up in either the middle class, working class, nor in poverty.

I find myself amused and saddened at the same time.

Where I come from, everyone is told "they are NOT good enough" and will NEVER amount to anything.

cnh

tonyb

Oh come now CNH, thats what taxpayer funded student loans are for....that will bury us under another bursted bubble creating yet another crisis we MUST bail out. The cycle then continues.

F1nut

cnh, I liked your last comment before you changed it. Damn shame folks made their choice based on that because we are all paying a dear price now.

Strong Bad

I see this all the time! Kids today feeling they are entitled to EVERYTHING and parents all too happy to bend over backwards to give them EVERYTHING! Boo hoo hoo, my kid went out there and tried really hard, so they should get the "Tried the Hardest" trophy. I blame the parents.

I talk to friends all the time about this. We didn't have parents that paid for our college. We didn't have all the hi tech devices that are out today. We had to work and make our way in this world by fighting for everything we have. We had to pay for our college and schooling. We had to go through those struggles in life, which turns out to be the very thing that defined us. Never knowing how to work hard, work smart, struggle and to fight for everything you have...thats what defines success! This generation just wants to party, save the trees, cover their body in silly tattoos and have everything handed to them...then complain about the rich or well off that worked their butts off!

Jhayman

Looks like some people need some Cheese and Crackers..to go with their Wine..
A nice 5 yr. old Cheddar or some un pasteurized Stilton..

tonyb

Strong bad makes a good point. Like generations before, when you struggle some it builds character....which in alot of cases is sorely missing today.

I know the old mind set was to struggle so your children wouldn't have to as much. In most cases thats true...to an extent, even today. But, you can't remove the very lessons those struggles taught either.

I'll take some aged smoked Gouda with my wine.

cfrizz

cnh wrote: »

As an educator at an elite college I see A LOT of this. Not so much from the kids who come from the "bottom" because they haven't lived with the PRIVILEGE that makes them think they are SOMETHING! That's pretty much relegated to "some" (by no means all) of the students whose parents can afford to pay the $56K+ tuition out of their pockets.

So don't "we" need to qualify just who we are referring to? Give it a "context". I can certainly provide one!

There is a LOT of wisdom in a few pages of Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five where he tells us of some words of wisdom you can find in almost any American bar, and why they are there. Of course, if you're unfamiliar with that part of America, if you're a panel of affluent commentators talking about kids whose parents can PROBABLY afford NYU tuition and fees, then, we're not really talking about "anything" that's relevant here. Because those kids will not end up in either the middle class, working class, nor in poverty.

I find myself amused and saddened at the same time.

Where I come from, everyone is told "they are NOT good enough" and will NEVER amount to anything.

cnh

Great post CNH!

Strong Bad wrote: »

I see this all the time! Kids today feeling they are entitled to EVERYTHING and parents all too happy to bend over backwards to give them EVERYTHING! Boo hoo hoo, my kid went out there and tried really hard, so they should get the "Tried the Hardest" trophy. I blame the parents.

I talk to friends all the time about this. We didn't have parents that paid for our college. We didn't have all the hi tech devices that are out today. We had to work and make our way in this world by fighting for everything we have. We had to pay for our college and schooling. We had to go through those struggles in life, which turns out to be the very thing that defined us. Never knowing how to work hard, work smart, struggle and to fight for everything you have...thats what defines success! This generation just wants to party, save the trees, cover their body in silly tattoos and have everything handed to them...then complain about the rich or well off that worked their butts off!

Great post John,

However it is OUR generation that got the ball rolling in raising children who feel they are entitled to everything. Our parents didn't have it to give to us, but they made damn sure we got the education so that we could get good jobs to be able to provide it to ourselves. We then turned around and instead of following our parents example, we gave our kids everything so naturally they think they are entitled and are therefore raising their kids the same way. When things are tough they move back home and we let them...rent free! When they have kids we automatically make ourselves their babysitters.

Maybe if we had forced more responsibility on our own children things may have been different. As it is now, I don't see how things are going to get back on track.

George Grand

With as little moxie as these kids show, it's going to take at least ten or twenty of them to properly wait on me hand and foot.

Strong Bad

cfrizz wrote: »

Great post John,

However it is OUR generation that got the ball rolling in raising children who feel they are entitled to everything. Our parents didn't have it to give to us, but they made damn sure we got the education so that we could get good jobs to be able to provide it to ourselves. We then turned around and instead of following our parents example, we gave our kids everything so naturally they think they are entitled and are therefore raising their kids the same way. When things are tough they move back home and we let them...rent free! When they have kids we automatically make ourselves their babysitters.

Maybe if we had forced more responsibility on our own children things may have been different. As it is now, I don't see how things are going to get back on track.

Thanks Cathy!

I speak entirely from experience. YES, I see my generation just handing it to their kids on a silver platter all the time. I'm at the age where i'm not angry because I didn't get that from my parents, I'm angry because of the type of person that it has created. My parents didn't provide a thing for my post highschool life. Up to my 18th birthday, they did, but after that it was up to me to find my way and discover my path. My father was (and still is) the type that told me to get a job after highschool and you stick with it till you retire. Break your back and make it to the promised land...that mighty pension and social security. I followed that mindset admittedly a little too long, but I woke up and got on the right path. I found my way in this world through hard work and sacrifice.

Here's a story. A good friend of mine has an 11yo daughter (and a son). She (and her husband) spend insane amounts of money on dance classes and competitions for her. It started out as 1 or 2 nights a week, but has grown to literally a 5-6 night thing and on weekends. My friend had to file for bankruptcy late last year, getting out from a mountain of debt due to her husband being laid off and out of work for surgery. They also are spend thrifts with the MASSIVE house, 3 vehicles, out to dinner all the time, etc...So they file bankruptcy and get alot of debt wiped out. So you think, clean slate to get things on track. OH NO, now we're gonna up the expensive dance classes further and go to numerous out of state competitions that requitre hotel stays, travel expenses, meals, competition fees...you name it. NYC, Disney, the list goes on. I asked her recently if her daughter is going to pursue this as a career and her answer was...oh heck no! I'd never let her have this type of career. I'll make sure she goes to college for something that she can have a great career with. All this dance, it's just to keep her mind occupied so she stays out of trouble.

I **** you not! Just boggles the mind! Then she gets angry when her daughter cops an attitude when mom won't buy her all these fancy clothes that are all the rage.

They're just creating monsters that feel entitled to the world without lifting a finger.

mhardy6647

unfortunately - I think that my generation (the boomers) really perfected whining and me-ism... it's been downhill since about 1960s as we grew up (physically if not emotionally). I am not very proud of our legacy to our children and to theirs :-(

decal

Way too many parents thesen days want to be their kid's friend,not their disciplinarian.

Jhayman

Or all out Revolt against the system..

xcapri79 wrote: »

Bring back the draft! That would set many of our youth straight.

Polkie2009

Not only will our generation(boomers) will be paying for the downward slide to socialism, our children's and grandchildren's and future generations will pay dearly for turning away from what's right and losing our moral compass.

SDA1C

Strong Bad wrote: »

I see this all the time! Kids today feeling they are entitled to EVERYTHING and parents all too happy to bend over backwards to borrow as much as they can to provide a false sense of worth to the dollar.

Fixed it for ya.

ALL212

If you're going to have children (some plan - some don't - same result!) you must make a decision on how you will raise them. I have three 17 year olds graduating from high school this year. My wife and I are of similar mindsets - the children do not get to make the decisions - we do. We're the adults, we take the responsibility. As an example we eat supper together on most evenings - we eat what is served. If you don't like it you don't have to eat it, however - there will be nothing else provided for you and breakfast is in the morning! Funny how my kids are not very fussy eaters!
Now that they are older they get to make more decisions on their own with the understanding that they are then responsible for the outcome - good or bad. If the results are bad they are responsible for correcting that situation.
I see many parents that do think the best road is to let the children make the decisions and then as adults they feel they have to correct the results to a positive ending - whatever it may take. I've not seen that work out well in most cases. The children end up thinking that someone else will take responsibility for the mistakes they make. I see those parents taking the easy road as they didn't have to be the "bad guy" in the parenting role. They never said "NO"!
I'm not saying my kids are angels or perfect. But they are polite, can engage in conversation with others and, from what I've seen and others have told me, appear to be heading towards becoming good adults.
I guess where I'm going with this is that there are always going to be (and probably always have been, just not in the numbers we seem to see today) those who think that the world owes them something. But, hopefully, there will also be those that know better. I'm hoping my kids are the latter.

tonyb

Ya know, I'm sure we all can come up with a story related to this. I have many from personal experiences, but here's one that was closer to home and had to do with a brother in-law's brother.

Daddy is a well to do Doctor practicing in one of the largest hospitals here in Chicago. 2 sons, one married my sister but lets talk about the other one. Daddy puts him through school, gets a degree in some B.S. THEN DECIDES, he wants to go back for his masters. Daddy floats the boat for that too. OK, gets his masters degree then tells daddy he wants to do something else. Daddy sends him back to college, pays the full boat again, kid graduates with a degree in his field. Guess what ? Daddy, I don't like this, I want to be a doctor like you. Daddy sends him to medical school and the kid graduates. Mind you, he's no kid at this point, he's almost 40 years old. Daddy sets him up in his own practice and that last a few years before he gives it up.

Know what the guy does now at 56 years old ? Drives a Zamboni at an Ice rink.

The guy spent his whole life going to school on daddy's dime while waiting for him to pass so he could inherit tons of cash. Literaly never having to work practically his whole life. Which did happen btw. I believe that was the plan all along. Now, some could say thats Daddy's fault and they wouldn't be far off base, I look at it and relate it to what I see today. Nobody wants to sweat at a job anymore but want all the benefits from someone elses hard work. They also have no desire to educate themselves into a better position in the labor force but rather just picket corporations of minimum wage jobs to pay them what educated workers get paid. There's a reason why some make more than others, and rightfully so. Not all of us will be rocket scientists, nor will most be born dumb as a box of rocks, but there exists a job for you no matter your intelligence level. Either accept that or up your intelligence level to gardner the higher earning potential. Don't ask others to compensate you for your lack of ambition is all I'm sayin'.

BlueFox

Your post insults Zamboni drivers. I am going to whine to the mods about your post.

Polkie2009

Tony, sad story, but so true of many people nowadays who get lost in the world of academia , afraid to actually grow up and have real resonsibilities other than just passing tests and graduating another class. You're right, the guy didn't want to have to work a real job and decided to keep going to school to avoid it. The Dad should have stopped paying for his education after the first degree. If he was just waiting it out til his Dad passed away to collect inheritance , then this guy is a real POS in my book and he's probably a flaming lib.

cnh

tonyb wrote: »

Ya know, I'm sure we all can come up with a story related to this. I have many from personal experiences, but here's one that was closer to home and had to do with a brother in-law's brother.

Daddy is a well to do Doctor practicing in one of the largest hospitals here in Chicago. 2 sons, one married my sister but lets talk about the other one. Daddy puts him through school, gets a degree in some B.S. THEN DECIDES, he wants to go back for his masters. Daddy floats the boat for that too. OK, gets his masters degree then tells daddy he wants to do something else. Daddy sends him back to college, pays the full boat again, kid graduates with a degree in his field. Guess what ? Daddy, I don't like this, I want to be a doctor like you. Daddy sends him to medical school and the kid graduates. Mind you, he's no kid at this point, he's almost 40 years old. Daddy sets him up in his own practice and that last a few years before he gives it up.

Know what the guy does now at 56 years old ? Drives a Zamboni at an Ice rink.

The guy spent his whole life going to school on daddy's dime while waiting for him to pass so he could inherit tons of cash. Literaly never having to work practically his whole life. Which did happen btw. I believe that was the plan all along. Now, some could say thats Daddy's fault and they wouldn't be far off base, I look at it and relate it to what I see today. Nobody wants to sweat at a job anymore but want all the benefits from someone elses hard work. They also have no desire to educate themselves into a better position in the labor force but rather just picket corporations of minimum wage jobs to pay them what educated workers get paid. There's a reason why some make more than others, and rightfully so. Not all of us will be rocket scientists, nor will most be born dumb as a box of rocks, but there exists a job for you no matter your intelligence level. Either accept that or up your intelligence level to gardner the higher earning potential. Don't ask others to compensate you for your lack of ambition is all I'm sayin'.

I've met this guy(guys) probably taught dozens of them.

As for the '60s?

In my field if the '60s never were, we would not be where we are today. We'd be a lot more impoverished as a discipline! Just imagine NO CIVIL RIGHTS movement for ONE thing?

If I were us. I'd remain silent about the '60s? Good advice unless you want dip your foot in the quicksand of hypocrisy!

cnh

jon1redleg

I myself agree with you xcapri79! I left for the ARMY right after high school. I came back and told my mother that all kids should
have to spend atleast 2 years in the service out of high school. I think it would give them a big eye opening and a better outlook
on life.