This makes my blood boil!

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edited April 2013 in The Clubhouse
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/crude-oil-leaks-arkansas-suburb-after-exxonmobil-pipeline-ruptures-1C9155011

Happened Friday.

They are trying to keep it out of the surrounding lakes.
These big oil companies should be charged by the gallon, a LARGE PENALTY, on top of paying for cleanup, IMHO.

Poor guy had his house up for sale (on the right).
All homes have been evacuated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30m8U6VP3E
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited April 2013
    Nasty!
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited April 2013
    Doesn't that pretty much TRASH your house "forever"? I was told (and we have a 275 gallon heating oil tank in our basement) that if that tank or the tube that feeds the furnace failed and my basement floor was flooded with oil that my house could be CONDEMNED! This isn't very likely if you do your "maintenance" but it does show you how VERY nasty Oil is!

    21st century living on antiquated fossil fuels and all their wondrous "benefits" (I mean "profits", because that's what its all about, in the end).

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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,054
    edited April 2013
    Its all good....a completely "free market" will find a solution and be able to regulate itself. Nothing to see here folks....
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited April 2013
    cnh wrote: »
    Doesn't that pretty much TRASH your house "forever"? I was told (and we have a 275 gallon heating oil tank in our basement) that if that tank or the tube that feeds the furnace failed and my basement floor was flooded with oil that my house could be CONDEMNED! This isn't very likely if you do your "maintenance" but it does show you how VERY nasty Oil is!

    21st century living on antiquated fossil fuels and all their wondrous "benefits" (I mean "profits", because that's what its all about, in the end).

    cnh

    Seriously? Name one thing that has impacted the advancement of society more than oil. Name one thing that has anywhere near the same creative potential.
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited April 2013
    The question I have, is the pipeline double-hulled. Accidents like this shows how right the Nebraska governor was to demand a re-route of the proposed Keystone pipeline away from the massive Ogalalla Aquifer.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2013
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Seriously? Name one thing that has impacted the advancement of society more than oil. Name one thing that has anywhere near the same creative potential.

    The printing press.
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  • oldmodman
    oldmodman Posts: 740
    edited April 2013
    The guy selling his house has just had his problem solved.

    The oil pipeline company just bought it.
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  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited April 2013
    No biggie to the oil company. They just pay the fine and carry on. And adjust prices accordingly.
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  • drselect
    drselect Posts: 664
    edited April 2013
    exalted512 wrote: »
    The printing press.
    -Cody
    Would have to give the edge to oil since most of the inks used are petro based.
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  • codyc1ark
    codyc1ark Posts: 2,532
    edited April 2013
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Seriously? Name one thing that has impacted the advancement of society more than oil. Name one thing that has anywhere near the same creative potential.

    Electricity?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited April 2013
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Seriously? Name one thing that has impacted the advancement of society more than oil. Name one thing that has anywhere near the same creative potential.

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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
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    how about we let the oil company act to clean the mess and make the people affected whole (i.e. the houses that stuff touched) before we just say fine them out of existence. banktupting them isnt going to help.

    we all use oil folks. the tech does NOT exist to realistically get rid of it, so cool your jets

    the oil companies should pay through the nose to make those affected whole again. this is a local disaster that affects alot of lives, not an oppurtunity to have an energy policy debate
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited April 2013
    I'm more surprised that there is a oil pipeline running through a residential neighborhood. I disagree with that routing..

    The video is just as disturbing to watch as when the ocean in the gulf was pissing oil. There should be safety switches that can be turned off when problems like this arise every few KM.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,424
    edited April 2013
    dude at 100+ for a barrel I'd of been out there filling some barrels.......free money running in the streets just don't see that very often.

    just kidding I feel for you that is nasty stuff. Every wonder why Canada don't run a pipe to the west cost? It would be shorter than the one they want us to build. just watch the video and you will understand.....
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,424
    edited April 2013
    Drenis wrote: »
    I'm more surprised that there is a oil pipeline running through a residential neighborhood. I disagree with that routing..

    Chances are that a residential neighborhood was not there when that pipeline was built....
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  • maximillian
    maximillian Posts: 2,144
    edited April 2013
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Seriously? Name one thing that has impacted the advancement of society more than oil. Name one thing that has anywhere near the same creative potential.

    The automobile.

    Oh wait. ?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,398
    edited April 2013
    What makes my blood boil are all these knee-jerk reactions to the little things around us and how quickly we are willing to surrender our liberties, freedoms and our way of life for a quick fix to a short term inconvenience. A nutjob with a gun shoots people and all of a sudden, legal owners that are law abiding are all treated like criminals. An oil line breaks and now I need to fork over more cash at the pump because some bureaucrat fells fining the company out of business is a good thing....

    This is all just crap IMHO. What really pisses me off to no end is raising my taxes to obscene levels "for the children" and then letting a child molesting douchebag out of prison early because we have no money for the prison system. He the goes out and kidnaps a ten year old girl from her bed in the dark of night and rapes her. That my friends is a real reason to get the blood boiling... and the thirty round clips full, and the gas tanks filled with oil based gasoline.
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    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2013
    drselect wrote: »
    Would have to give the edge to oil since most of the inks used are petro based.

    Touche. However, a quick search says petrol-based ink has only been on the scene for about 50 years.
    http://1800recycling.com/2010/11/soy-ink-petroleum-ink-recycling-greener/

    Either way, I'm certainly not against drilling or oil. Just answering a question that was probably rhetorical in the first place :)

    This is a terrible tragedy, but I'm not going to use it to base an argument for other types of energy - which are mostly not cost effective in the least - and would probably be best looked into when this country isn't in a deficit :)
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    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2013
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Beer.

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  • codyc1ark
    codyc1ark Posts: 2,532
    edited April 2013
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    What makes my blood boil are all these knee-jerk reactions to the little things around us and how quickly we are willing to surrender our liberties, freedoms and our way of life for a quick fix to a short term inconvenience. A nutjob with a gun shoots people and all of a sudden, legal owners that are law abiding are all treated like criminals. An oil line breaks and now I need to fork over more cash at the pump because some bureaucrat fells fining the company out of business is a good thing....

    This is all just crap IMHO. What really pisses me off to no end is raising my taxes to obscene levels "for the children" and then letting a child molesting douchebag out of prison early because we have no money for the prison system. He the goes out and kidnaps a ten year old girl from her bed in the dark of night and rapes her. That my friends is a real reason to get the blood boiling... and the thirty round clips full, and the gas tanks filled with oil based gasoline.

    Sheesh John, tell us how you really feel!! :razz::razz:
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    smglbrth Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2013
    codyc1ark wrote: »
    Sheesh John, tell us how you really feel!! :razz::razz:

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,958
    edited April 2013
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Chances are that a residential neighborhood was not there when that pipeline was built....

    Now that is certainly more likely given the looks of those houses. Now, who is the greedy ones ? The village for granting permits to build houses in an area they know has buried oil pipes ? Nah.....much easier to cast stones at the demon everyone loves to hate.

    As far as the aquifer gones, it already has hundreds of pipes running threw it, but I would still re-route another oil pipe just to be on the safe side. No sense asking for trouble where you know it exists.

    If I was the oil company, I would offer to buy up the whole subdivision and use it for temp housing of it's own employees. Not sure how wide of an easement they have, but it's pretty obvious not wide enough.
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited April 2013
    Tell ya what, why don't you stop driving yourself to your job to protest oil. How about you give up all the conveniences oil provides you in your life (like all of the plastics, all of the lubrication products, all of the products that come from it...) to protest it. If people really knew how much fossil fuels have become intertwined in our lives...

    Now the oil company will clean it up, they will pay fines, and they will make the affected people whole again. Could it have been averted? Probably, but that story is another matter.

    I agree that oil companies should have their feet held to the fire to act in a responsible manner. Why don't you try to elect someone who will do that, instead of crying for blood? Come up with some reasonable solutions, instead of knee jerk reactionary statements...

    That is a damn shame, and with a regular inspection program, completely avoidable. Free market ethics at it's finest...
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,277
    edited April 2013
    The thing is we will always have accidents in almost every enviroment. Construction accidents, expolsions, wild fires, hell over 20,000 people just in the US alone die on our roads every year. Tons of oil seaps naturally out of the earth. At least on the ground we can resolve and clean up much easier than 5 miles below the ocean floor.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited April 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Now that is certainly more likely given the looks of those houses. Now, who is the greedy ones ? The village for granting permits to build houses in an area they know has buried oil pipes ? Nah.....much easier to cast stones at the demon everyone loves to hate.

    As far as the aquifer gones, it already has hundreds of pipes running threw it, but I would still re-route another oil pipe just to be on the safe side. No sense asking for trouble where you know it exists.

    If I was the oil company, I would offer to buy up the whole subdivision and use it for temp housing of it's own employees. Not sure how wide of an easement they have, but it's pretty obvious not wide enough.

    Unfortunately, those homes were there first.
    Not only did they drill under those homes, that pipeline goes under some of the most beautiful lakes you will ever see.

    It pi$$es me off because of the people displaced, and the threat of death had a fire source reached that street, and damage to the beautiful area around that part of Arkansas (It is a beautiful place to say the least).

    Regardless if they get paid, it will take a months before they see any money.
    Those families are living elsewhere at the moment, trying to make it without their home they paid hard earned money for!
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
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    They came in and drilled under existing homes?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited April 2013
    brgman wrote: »
    They came in and drilled under existing homes?

    And lakes, creeks, rivers & ponds.
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited April 2013
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    What makes my blood boil are all these knee-jerk reactions to the little things around us and how quickly we are willing to surrender our liberties, freedoms and our way of life for a quick fix to a short term inconvenience. A nutjob with a gun shoots people and all of a sudden, legal owners that are law abiding are all treated like criminals. An oil line breaks and now I need to fork over more cash at the pump because some bureaucrat fells fining the company out of business is a good thing....

    This is all just crap IMHO. What really pisses me off to no end is raising my taxes to obscene levels "for the children" and then letting a child molesting douchebag out of prison early because we have no money for the prison system. He the goes out and kidnaps a ten year old girl from her bed in the dark of night and rapes her. That my friends is a real reason to get the blood boiling... and the thirty round clips full, and the gas tanks filled with oil based gasoline.

    You make valid points man but in all honesty, unless you or any of us intelligent folk decide to actually run the oval office, not run for it but run it, nothing will change. Ahhh it's a cruel world... perhaps I've been reading infowars.com way too much... Because my preception of this world, the people who run it... well, I'll just leave it at that before I'm "next".
    pepster wrote: »
    And lakes, creeks, rivers & ponds.

    Now that's BS.
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  • drselect
    drselect Posts: 664
    edited April 2013
    exalted512 wrote: »
    Touche. However, a quick search says petrol-based ink has only been on the scene for about 50 years.
    http://1800recycling.com/2010/11/soy-ink-petroleum-ink-recycling-greener/

    Either way, I'm certainly not against drilling or oil. Just answering a question that was probably rhetorical in the first place :)

    This is a terrible tragedy, but I'm not going to use it to base an argument for other types of energy - which are mostly not cost effective in the least - and would probably be best looked into when this country isn't in a deficit :)
    -Cody
    But gone are the days of printing press made of wood and metal. Most are probably made of plastic these days.
    And I was just trying to agree with the original statement. :)
    I also agree this mess needs to be cleaned up. But messes happen all the time. How we react to them? Well just ask my 5 year old some times good sometimes we make a bigger mess.
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  • drselect
    drselect Posts: 664
    edited April 2013
    pepster wrote: »
    And lakes, creeks, rivers & ponds.
    Theres oil in northern arkansas?
    I thought the Clampetts got it all years ago.
    Don't they just got gas now?
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