Power Conditioner for Office Rig

thsmith
thsmith Posts: 6,082
edited March 2013 in Electronics
Looking at the Panamax M4300 and APC H10 for my office rig. Power from KCP&L is pretty clean and constant voltages with underground cable to the house but would like something better than power strip I am currently using.

ANything thing else in the $200 price range I should be looking at.

Thanks,
Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • Glen B
    Glen B Posts: 269
    edited March 2013
    The APCH10 is good. So is the Belkin PF60. I use the latter in my HT system. Panamax, APC, Belkin, Furman, all employ similar technology (LC filter networks consisting of common-mode-chokes and RF noise suppression caps), so in that regard there is no major difference among them. IMO, just buy whichever is the best deal.

    Inside views (arrows point to chokes/caps):

    Furman (includes power factor correction)
    furman_pf15i.jpg

    Panamax (includes voltage regulation)
    panamax_zpsaade7f06.jpg

    APC
    APC_zpse05a8f0b.jpg

    Belkin (programmable delay, each outlet bank)
    belkin_zps16c121f8.jpg
    Main System: Denon DP-59L | Audio-Technica AT33EV | Marantz SA-11S2 | Classe DR-10 | Classe CA-300 | Classe RC-1 | PSB Stratus Gold i's | DIY Balanced AC Power Conditioner | Acoustic Zen and NeoTech cables | Oyaide and Furutech power connectors | Dedicated 20A isolated ground line.

    Home Theater: Toshiba D-VR5SU | Laptop #1 |Outlaw Audio OAW3 wireless audio system | Marantz SR-19 | Phase Linear 400 Series 2, modified | AudioSource 10.1 EQ (for subs) | Axiom M3 v3’s | Axiom VP150 | Optimus PRO-X55AVs | Dayton 12” powered subs (x2) | Belkin PureAV PF-60 line conditioner.

    Party System: Laptop #2 | Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC | Technics SU-A6 | Acurus A-250 | Radio Shack 15-band EQ | Pioneer SR-9 reverb | Cerwin Vega DX9's | Dayton 100° x 60° horns with titanium HF/MF compression drivers.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited March 2013
    Man, those all have a ton of circuits in them.

    Tracy, if you can find one the PS Audio UPC-200 is excellent and doesn't have all that stuff in it.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited March 2013
    thsmith wrote: »
    Looking at the Panamax M4300 and APC H10 for my office rig. Power from KCP&L is pretty clean and constant voltages with underground cable to the house but would like something better than power strip I am currently using.

    ANything thing else in the $200 price range I should be looking at.

    Thanks,

    Of those two keep in mind just as an FYI neither has Voltage Regulation. To be honest if you dont need tons of connections and the power is decent, look at the Belkin PF30. Less outlets but less cost too. I am debating one for my small office rig which has 3 or 4 small pieces in it max.

    Otherwise I dont think there are any Furman units at that price point, but they are from what I read one step up quality wise from Panamax.
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  • Speedskater
    Speedskater Posts: 495
    edited March 2013
    I saw the schematic for a $3000 power conditioner (none of the above). It was a very complex circuit with almost countless parts including micro-processors. But almost none of the sub-circuits had anything to do with power quality!
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited March 2013
    I use a PS Audio Quintet, pretty happy with it. You can find them under 3 bones on the 'gon sometimes.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • pdxfj
    pdxfj Posts: 376
    edited March 2013
    I use the Belkin PF60 in my living room and dedicated HT and I'm happy with the results. I've also used the PF30. It has worked well and was less than $100. I caught the PF60's on sale (buy.com) for about $125 each shipped.
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited March 2013
    pdxfj wrote: »
    I use the Belkin PF60 in my living room and dedicated HT and I'm happy with the results. I've also used the PF30. It has worked well and was less than $100. I caught the PF60's on sale (buy.com) for about $125 each shipped.

    If getting the Belkin (either model) buy.com has the best price all the time.
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  • Glen B
    Glen B Posts: 269
    edited March 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    Man, those all have a ton of circuits in them.

    Tracy, if you can find one the PS Audio UPC-200 is excellent and doesn't have all that stuff in it.

    The PS Audio UPC-200 has the same necessary "stuff" inside (note the common-mode choke/balun), just less of it because its only serving one duplex outlet. The images I've posted have multiple pieces of the same item in UPC200 in order to provide filtration and isolation to several duplex outlets, and any equipment plugged into it.

    The extra circuitry in the line conditioners are for each unit's unique features (voltage/current/wiring displays, extreme voltage shutdown, voltage regulation, triggering, on/off delay programming). If the OP needs "purist" noise filtration, the PS Audio product is fine. If more, real-world features are needed (e.g., ability to run an entire HT system), one of the other units might fit the bill.

    PS Audio UPC200 below:
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    PS Audio Soloist:
    PSAudioSoloist_zps55e7f812.jpg
    Main System: Denon DP-59L | Audio-Technica AT33EV | Marantz SA-11S2 | Classe DR-10 | Classe CA-300 | Classe RC-1 | PSB Stratus Gold i's | DIY Balanced AC Power Conditioner | Acoustic Zen and NeoTech cables | Oyaide and Furutech power connectors | Dedicated 20A isolated ground line.

    Home Theater: Toshiba D-VR5SU | Laptop #1 |Outlaw Audio OAW3 wireless audio system | Marantz SR-19 | Phase Linear 400 Series 2, modified | AudioSource 10.1 EQ (for subs) | Axiom M3 v3’s | Axiom VP150 | Optimus PRO-X55AVs | Dayton 12” powered subs (x2) | Belkin PureAV PF-60 line conditioner.

    Party System: Laptop #2 | Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC | Technics SU-A6 | Acurus A-250 | Radio Shack 15-band EQ | Pioneer SR-9 reverb | Cerwin Vega DX9's | Dayton 100° x 60° horns with titanium HF/MF compression drivers.
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    Man, those all have a ton of circuits in them.

    Tracy, if you can find one the PS Audio UPC-200 is excellent and doesn't have all that stuff in it.

    Thanks Jesse, no joy in my searching. I will keep my eye open but if you know of one not in service let me know please.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited March 2013
    The top two pictures are the UPC-200. Just pure simple surge protection and filtering (via the power cells), which also does not restrict current. Note it has two duplex outlets, which along with a Soloist in the wall serves my HT rig perfectly. I also use them in my big rig and office rig. They work so well, that PS Audio stopped selling them because folks weren't buying their more expensive units.

    The middle picture is the Ultimate Outlet, a completely different animal.

    The bottom picture looks a bit like a Soloist, but I own 3 of them and while they do have the choke/balun, the rest of the board is devoid of all those caps. In fact, the board in the picture is not the board in the actual units. Maybe that was a prototype?
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited March 2013
    I bought a soloist on Jesse's recommendation and it made a very positive difference (especially in dynamics).
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2013
    The UPC-200 would work since I need 4 outlets.

    I suspect do not come up for sell often. The Dectet is the closest thing PS Audio sells now and is way more than I need for my office.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • michael1947
    michael1947 Posts: 775
    edited March 2013
    I have 3 Belkin PF 60's, don't know how or why they work but no problems.:rolleyes:
    Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
    Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.

    Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's.
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2013
    Anyone tried or have a Richard Gray's Power Company 400 ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited March 2013
    I believe Treitz uses or has used Richard Gray products. Drop him a line.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2013
    Thanks Jesse. THe guy with the 200s does not want to come off his price and seems to be playing games so I am looking at other options.

    Some of the BPT suff looks pretty good to.

    Looks like I need to raise my budget.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2013
    Anyone using BPT (Balanced Power Technology) power devices?

    Looking at their CPC.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited March 2013
    Would love to see someone do a shoot out on a bunch of these units. I always hear so much about SurgeX but don't know anyone who actually has had one in service for many years to see how they stand up.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited March 2013
    THe guy with the 200s does not want to come off his price and seems to be playing games so I am looking at other options.

    I saw he relisted them since they didn't sell after 30 days. He's probably going to have them for another 30.
    I always hear so much about SurgeX

    If I was starting fresh, I'd go with SurgeX's sub-panel type offering. As it is, I'm set.
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