Center channel - Size matters but so does quality
motionblurrr
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I have an Onkyo TX-NR515 receiver and paired it with the a pair of TSi300s for my front L/R speakers. I have an existing Polk CS2 center channel that I'm using with these and it sounds great... unfortunately, I used the measurements of the CS1 to when I looked for a new entertainment center and no that I have it setup, of course, the CS2 does not even come close to fitting.
The shelf for the center channel is 8.25"H x 19"W x 16.5"D.
The newer CS10 and CS20 speakers are also too big, so I'm wondering what my next best bet is. I use this setup for TV/Movies almost exclusively, so the quality of the center channel is important to me. Here are the three options as I see them:
Thoughts?
Please assume any other approach to solving this (such as mounting the speaker somewhere else) is off the table.
I'm really looking for some speaker experts to give me the low-down on these other speaker options. 
Thanks!
The shelf for the center channel is 8.25"H x 19"W x 16.5"D.
The newer CS10 and CS20 speakers are also too big, so I'm wondering what my next best bet is. I use this setup for TV/Movies almost exclusively, so the quality of the center channel is important to me. Here are the three options as I see them:
- Get the TL3 - It would definitely fit.... but I want to make sure what I get is properly matched for the TSi300s and that I'm not taking a big step down in quality.
- Get the older CS1. It fits, but how does it compare to the CS2 and/or TL3?
- Get the CSR or CSM. They would be a tight fit and I'm concerned about the quality of these as compared to the CS2.
Thoughts?
Please assume any other approach to solving this (such as mounting the speaker somewhere else) is off the table.
I'm really looking for some speaker experts to give me the low-down on these other speaker options. Thanks!
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My thoughts are that perceived quality isn't as important as timbre-matching the center channel to the L&R main channels. This would give you the best "quality" of sound & imaging. With that in mind, I can't really make a recommendation since the CS series is out of the question. I've had centers in the past that weren't timbre-matched with L&R and, after having a good timbre-matched set, I would do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. If that meant selling an entertainment center or modifying it, so be it.
Sorry, I know you didn't really want to hear that...2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0 -
I appreciate the help. So am I correct in assuming that the CS2 is the correct timbre for the TSi300s?
I have to say, the TSi300s and CS2 sound great compared to what the CS2 sounded like when paired with RCi series that I used to have. Are the RCi series not timber-matched to the CS2 perhaps?
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One other issue you may consider is room size???? Timber match is the first priority, but with speakers from the same Co gives you a leg up in that area as many of there product line will not stray to far in SQ. The biggest is not always the best route, if the center is to dominate you lose that sense of space of sound that can travel from left to right. On the other end with room size a center too small can cause dialog to become unclear and faint. IMHO the normal or standard 4-5" mids with .5 tweeter will work fine from a listening distance of 5-15 feet, any more than that you will need bigger center and L/R to fill the space.Family Room HT 7.2/i]:Vizio Oled55h1 Pioneer Elite SC-LX502 Pioneer Elite BDP 85FD Eversolo DMP A6 Panamax M5300-EXSpeakers Fronts Fluance XF8L Center Polk Audio S35 Side Surrounds Fluance bipolar Rear Surrounds FluanceXF8 Bookshelf Subs SVS PB4000 x2 Living room 2ch: Crown Xli 1500 amp x2, Teac EQ MKII FX Audio X6 Mk II DAC Squeezebox Touch Fluance Signature Tower Speakers Panamax M5100-EXOffice media room:Vizio M50Q6 50" Pioneer Elite VSX LX301 Eversolo DMP-A6 Polkaudio R600 Towers Polkaudio Center R350 Panamax M4300 Monoprice 12" subMaster bedroom:Vizio M55Q7 Pioneer Elite VSX LX302 Pioneer Elite BDP 85FD Squeezebox Touch Fluance Signature Bookshelf fronts, Rears Fluance Signature Bipolar Polk Audio CS10 center Monoprice 12" sub Panamax M5300-EX
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There's two schools of thought:
1. Get the biggest, baddest center you can afford.
2. Get the biggest, baddest center you can afford that is voiced the same as your L/R speakers.
Ditto on this option.
Some people don't mind the difference in timber. I believe that most in that camp simply never experienced a matched front. If the CS1 fits and the CS2 doesn't, get the CS1. Stay in the family.
I have never used a Center that was not in the same family as my L/R so I can't comment on it Sorry.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
In this case, the old Monitors are essentially the same speakers as the TSi, so moving back a generation is not a bad move.
In that case, the Monitor 15C will fit and might be a good choice. I'm not sure the tweeter is exactly the same, however.2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0 -
i was surprised to see how much smaller the lsic was than my cs400
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I found someone local who is selling a set of Monitor 70 speakers along with the CS1. I'm considering getting the set and using the Monitor 70s in front with the CS1 center and then TSi300s as surround. Thoughts?
Am I now mixing families with the TSi300s and Monitor 70s? Seems like they are the same family, but what do I know.
Here's a rough picture of the layout.
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motionblurrr wrote: »Am I now mixing families with the TSi300s and Monitor 70s? Seems like they are the same family, but what do I know.
They're close enough to not matter. It's not as important that the surround channels are of the same family as the fronts.
One thing to keep in mind is that Monitor 70's will require considerably more power than your TSi300s to perform well.2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0 -
it's considered as same family...so no worries in timbre matching if you are into that....
but your system will be from same (TSI & Monitor) family so if Monitor 70 and CS1 can be had for a good price, yeah sure...Video: LG 55LN5100/Samsung LNT4065F
Receiver: HK AVR445
Source: OPPO BDP-93
HT: POLK SPEAKERS RTi6, FXi3, CSi5, VTF-3 MK2
2Ch system: MC2105, AR-XA, AR-2A, AR9, BX-300, OPPO BDP-83 -
One thing to keep in mind is that Monitor 70's will require considerably more power than your TSi300s to perform well.
Will the Onkyo TX-NR515 not have the power to do it? Or are we talking more about how much power I'm drawing from the circuits in my condo?
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motionblurrr wrote: »Will the Onkyo TX-NR515 not have the power to do it? Or are we talking more about how much power I'm drawing from the circuits in my condo?
Pardon my ignorance...
I'm talking about power provided by your AVR. Your AVR will drive the 70s, but not to full potential. It would drive the 60s better.2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0 -
I build and sell speaker cabinets , on a rebuild of a damaged cabinet I follow the exact interior volume and if needed change some dimensions and add to others ( to maintain interior volume )
this may be the best solution !
Or if you got cash to spare just buy a center that fits your cabinet , but make sure its the correct timbre match for you mains -
Thank you all for your input. I decided to go ahead and get the Monitor 70s and CS1 from a local craigslist ad. Got them all hooked up last night and they sound great! So not only did I solve the issue of getting a good speaker into the cabinet, I also upgraded my entire system from a 3.1 to a full 5.1! Neighbors might not be happy, but then again these new Monitor 70s have enough bass that I can turn off the subwoofer at night and still have great sound.
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Awesome. Glad it all worked out so well! Surprises like that are what make this hobby really interesting sometimes.2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0
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Welcome to the club motionblurr. HT is complicated. You might stop now with what you have and just kick back and enjoy the present and let things soak in a bit before changing things. I think eventually you will be changing everything from your AVR to most of your speakers so enjoy what you have and just do some pipe dreaming on your next system. Again, welcome, show us some pictures and ask questions.Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's.
