LSi25 vs LSiM707 TO BE USED WITH EMOTIVA XPA-2 AMP.

AVTONY2510
AVTONY2510 Posts: 31
edited May 2014 in Speakers
I CAN GET A LIKE NEW PAIR OF LSi25's FOR $850.00
& A PAIR OF BRAND NEW LSiM707 FOR $2200.00 MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE 707's WORTH THE EXTRA $1350.00 or SHOULD I INVEST THE
EXTRA MONEY IN A GOOD PRE-AMP?


PS THANKS IN ADAVANCE FOR ANY HELP & ADVICE...
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited February 2013
    Yes they are worth the extra money Tony, but only you can decide if it is actually worth it to you to spend it.
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  • drselect
    drselect Posts: 664
    edited February 2013
    Save a little coin and buy them from polkaudio on ebay $1700 shipped to door http://www.ebay.com/itm/EA-LSiM707-Cherry-Tower-Floorstand-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/230885465580?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item35c1d89dec
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited February 2013
    drselect wrote: »
    Save a little coin and buy them from polkaudio on ebay $1700 shipped to door http://www.ebay.com/itm/EA-LSiM707-Cherry-Tower-Floorstand-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/230885465580?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item35c1d89dec

    That's $1700 each.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited February 2013
    I don't think the Emotiva is good enough for the 707. It may drive the 25 well enough, but the 707 will quickly exposes the weaknesses of that amp
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited February 2013
    Well he can wait until he actually hears them with the amp to decide if HE feels that it is not good enough. What's most important here is that he has an amp to properly drive them in the first place.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2013
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    I don't think the Emotiva is good enough for the 707. It may drive the 25 well enough, but the 707 will quickly exposes the weaknesses of that amp

    ^This^
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited February 2013
    drselect wrote: »
    Save a little coin and buy them from polkaudio on ebay $1700 shipped to door http://www.ebay.com/itm/EA-LSiM707-Cherry-Tower-Floorstand-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/230885465580?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item35c1d89dec

    That is $1700 for one speaker and I don't think 15% off (you'll still pay sales tax) is enough of a discount, given that you'd be getting a refurbished product and a 2-year warranty vs. a 5-year one if the speakers are purchased new.
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited February 2013
    AVTONY2510 wrote: »
    I CAN GET A LIKE NEW PAIR OF LSi25's FOR $850.00
    & A PAIR OF BRAND NEW LSiM707 FOR $2200.00 MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE 707's WORTH THE EXTRA $1350.00 or SHOULD I INVEST THE
    EXTRA MONEY IN A GOOD PRE-AMP?


    PS THANKS IN ADAVANCE FOR ANY HELP & ADVICE...

    I'd say got with the 707's or even the 705's. IMO they're better than the older series. Your XPA 2 will do just fine. No need to go out and change amps if you haven't heard how that combo sounds.
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  • drselect
    drselect Posts: 664
    edited February 2013
    Crap. I am having one of those weeks. Completely missed that the price was each. Sorry for the misinformation.
    And once again::redface::redface::redface:
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  • AVTONY2510
    AVTONY2510 Posts: 31
    edited February 2013
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,092
    edited February 2013
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Well he can wait until he actually hears them with the amp to decide if HE feels that it is not good enough. What's most important here is that he has an amp to properly drive them in the first place.

    Great advice Cathy...it's a shame the Emo bashers will come along & muck up this thread. They just can't help themselves. The 707's would be my pick out of the two. The money difference between the two is quite large. The OP has some pondering to do. If he can get them both in house for a side by side demo would be ideal & put any questions he might have to rest.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,001
    edited February 2013
    You guys crack me up man. The old purist in me falls in F1nuts camp, but the other side of me says who gives a crap. As long as you enjoy what you hear, the brand name means squat, which might be Phils camp. All in all, I have fun participating in both.
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited February 2013
    My take on it is this: The LSiM707s are definitely better than the LSi25s, but I believe the LSi25s would be a better match for the XPA-2. The reason being is the LSi25 has a more laid back sound than the LSiM707. The LSiMs are more neutral and revealing. I've owned Emotiva amps in the past and I like them better than most on here, but they are a little bright for my taste for two channel music. The more laid back sound of the LSis would pair better with the more forward sound of the XPA-2 than would the LSiMs.

    Ultimately you have to ask yourself if you have any plans on changing the amp in the future (not necesarily out of cons but just to try something different). If so you probaly would be better off with the LSiM707 because they have more potential to give higher performance when upgrading gear upstream. One of the real positives of Emotiva amps are they have good resale value and sell very quickly on sites like Audiogon. You could sell the Emotiva and use the funds to purchace an amp that is more on the neutral to warmer side of things that will pair better with the LSiMs.

    If you want to stay with the XPA-2, then as I stated above the LSi25s will be a better match and they are certainly no slouch either. You can take the money you save and buy a good tube preamp that will help tame down the brightness of the XPA and you will have a very good sounding system. I guess what I'm trying to say is the LSiMs will have more potential for the future, but the LSis will better match your current gear.

    I'm not in any way knocking the Emotiva amp. Ask yourself where you really want to go with this and go from there.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2013
    I've heard that amp and each speaker you have mentioned. I would not go with the LSiM series and the XPA 2. Not saying its a bad amp, it's actually a meaty capable amp for the money, But clouds the highs just a little bit (maybe recessed Is the word I'm looking for? In other words, not the amp to really highlight the excellent detail the lsim gives in my opinion.

    Now, would I mate an LSi with the EMO? Yeah, Seems like a better fit to me.

    Also, In terms if the speakers them selves, I say no to both and would choose between Lsi 15 and LSiM 705 instead

    The 25 never did it for me (I'm sure the built in powered sub had a lot to do with it) and while the 707 is a brilliant speaker, it is a bit overkill for all but cavernous listening rooms. The 705's are just sooooooo right sized for even larger than average listening rooms. Placement seems a lot easier as well.

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  • KellyMic
    KellyMic Posts: 166
    edited February 2013
    I purchased a pair of LSi25's last month, powered by a Crown amp. I have not yet heard the LSiM 707's but have been very happy with my LSi25's for sure, about 85% music, 15% HT/Gaming. The sub amps did need a bit of tweaking but very happy with them now. The Crown powers the highs/mids and built in amp powers sub of course. Its been suggested by several people to me that letting the SS amp run the sub and power the highs/mids with a good tube amp would really smooth everything out nicely. You would also save quite a bit as a pair of new LSi25's shipped is $400 less than one LSiM 707! With that much saved you could do some nice upgrades or just pocket it. :)
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  • SuprSncScientis
    SuprSncScientis Posts: 1
    edited April 2014
    Dawgfish wrote: »
    My take on it is this: The LSiM707s are definitely better than the LSi25s, but I believe the LSi25s would be a better match for the XPA-2. The reason being is the LSi25 has a more laid back sound than the LSiM707. The LSiMs are more neutral and revealing. I've owned Emotiva amps in the past and I like them better than most on here, but they are a little bright for my taste for two channel music. The more laid back sound of the LSis would pair better with the more forward sound of the XPA-2 than would the LSiMs.

    Ultimately you have to ask yourself if you have any plans on changing the amp in the future (not necesarily out of cons but just to try something different). If so you probaly would be better off with the LSiM707 because they have more potential to give higher performance when upgrading gear upstream. One of the real positives of Emotiva amps are they have good resale value and sell very quickly on sites like Audiogon. You could sell the Emotiva and use the funds to purchace an amp that is more on the neutral to warmer side of things that will pair better with the LSiMs.

    If you want to stay with the XPA-2, then as I stated above the LSi25s will be a better match and they are certainly no slouch either. You can take the money you save and buy a good tube preamp that will help tame down the brightness of the XPA and you will have a very good sounding system. I guess what I'm trying to say is the LSiMs will have more potential for the future, but the LSis will better match your current gear.

    I'm not in any way knocking the Emotiva amp. Ask yourself where you really want to go with this and go from there.
    I wonder if you have considered the Pioneer Elite Sc37 MCACC full band phase EQ cal with the Lsi25s. The LSI25 has a built in subwoofer which I drive with line level outputs and I set all speakers (all 5 are Lsi) on small, forcing the Lows to the subwoofers. This is important since the the Lsi speakers are 4 ohms. The EQ removes the overly laid back aspect of the LSi. The ext stereo mode which uses all 5 speakers is stunningly accurate at the calibrated listening position. Does one speaker's EQ matter with 32 bit DSP EQ, which is needed for the environment anyway.
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited April 2014
    SuprSncScientis wrote: »
    I wonder if you have considered the Pioneer Elite Sc37 MCACC full band phase EQ cal with the Lsi25s. The LSI25 has a built in subwoofer which I drive with line level outputs and I set all speakers (all 5 are Lsi) on small, forcing the Lows to the subwoofers. This is important since the the Lsi speakers are 4 ohms. The EQ removes the overly laid back aspect of the LSi. The ext stereo mode which uses all 5 speakers is stunningly accurate at the calibrated listening position. Does one speaker's EQ matter with 32 bit DSP EQ, which is needed for the environment anyway.

    I couldn't answer that question. I'm strictly into two chanel listening now and got the impression that the the OP was using this for a two chanel system. My answer was given under this assumption. If the OP was planning on using this in a HT set-up than I would agree that the auto cal and eq functions of the reciever could be used to taylor the sound to his liking. If used in a two chanel setup, most modern preamps do not have tone controls and proper matching of the voicing of all components is necessary to get the best synergy.
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited April 2014
    I would think either pair would sound fantastic. The Emotiva amp doesn't roll off the highs like some of the "musical" amps, but neither speaker is inherently hot on top so the match should be great. Whether the extra money is worth it can only be determined by you. Possibly a touch choice to make without the benefit of hearing either pair prior to deciding.

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  • lostronin
    lostronin Posts: 3
    edited May 2014
    My LSIM 703's sound clear and detailed, but not overly bright off of my Emotiva amp. I upgraded from LSi7's. There is a noticeable improvement in detail and bass response.
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