Pre amps

Violator
Violator Posts: 20
edited November 2003 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
I know this shouldnt be the place for this kinda stuff. but whats the difference between this stuff.

whats the difference between surround sound recievers and surround sound processors
I wanna eventually get the best hookup i can.. I was looking at some rotel ****

i want to get the rotel surround sound reciever
http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsx1065.htm
but it only has 5.1.
the surround sound processor has 7.1 but i think its strictly for surround? Is this right... Also it has no power in the processor so i will need an amp.. this is the processor

http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsp1098.htm

so im going to get this amp after

http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rmb1095.htm

but heres my question..
If i get that reciever and that processor i should have 7.1 right. Or is it that if you get the processor u dont need the reciever. Im confused. I want to be able to listen to cds and **** but im not sure if the processor has that capability. i like 7 channel stereo. I want to listen to music in that format. Will i be able to if i get all these components. Please help
Harman Kardon AVR 230
Harman Kardon 400 Watt amp
2 Polk RTI70's
2 Polk RTI38's
2 Paragon Pro Series
1 Rockford fosgate car sub
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited November 2003
    Rotel? Man you are an audionutt. I'm sorry, but you'll have to find somebody else to 'tango with.
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2003
    The Rotel Processor that you are talking about is a basically a Surround Sound ready, Pre-Amp. You buy a SS Receiver(AVR) if you want built in amplification, the Processor(Pre) is if you use outboard amplification.

    You have the right idea already, and yes the processor will allow you to listen to cd's, remember its just a pre-amp. You don't need both the AVR and the Processor.

    If I recall, the Rotel AVR is 5.1 internally amplified, but it IS 7.1 ready....you would just add an amplifier using the pre-outs from the AVR to utilize 7.1

    Does this help?
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited November 2003
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    If I recall, the Rotel AVR is 5.1 internally amplified, but it IS 7.1 ready....you would just add an amplifier using the pre-outs from the AVR to utilize 7.1

    doro, exacto mundo! my 1065 is ready to go 7.1 just by adding a power amp for the surround back.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited November 2003
    Yeeeah, yeeeah, get some Rotel ****, aight? Happy Thanksgiving and ****.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited November 2003
    Gidrah,

    I'm thinking, if it WAS him, he would've tried to sell something already. Could be wrong, it happens time to time (about 25 times a day to be honest).

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)
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  • Fireman99
    Fireman99 Posts: 129
    edited November 2003
    As Said before. A pre amp or proceser is just that It does the procesing but has no amplification or power. With a pre amp you need at least one amplifier to power your speakers. your CD, DVD, Etc hooks up to your Preamp and your pre amp hooks to your amp, and the amp to the speakers. Your Amp will need as many chanels as you want to run speakers. If you want 7.1 you need 7 chanels of amp power. can be 1 amp or 7 anything in between goes aswell.
    A recever has the amps built in (the speakers hook right to the recever) If the recever you want has 7.1 ability but only 5 speaker outs you need a 2 ch amp or 2 1ch amps to drive the extra speakers. Like my H/K has 5 speaker outs and I'm getting another amp to drive the 6th and 7th chanels.
    As for the Best usieng a preamp and amplifiers is gives you the best results. A straight power amp will out perform a recever.
    hope this helps
    Dan
    Recever AVR 8000
    Amp PA 4000
    CDR 26
    Mains RTI 150 Bi wired
    Center CSI 40 Bi wired
    Surround FXI 30
    Rear RTI 4
    Sub PSW 140
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  • Apex
    Apex Posts: 69
    edited November 2003
    Originally posted by Fireman99

    A recever has the amps built in (the speakers hook right to the recever) If the recever you want has 7.1 ability but only 5 speaker outs you need a 2 ch amp or 2 1ch amps to drive the extra speakers. Like my H/K has 5 speaker outs and I'm getting another amp to drive the 6th and 7th chanels.
    As for the Best usieng a preamp and amplifiers is gives you the best results. A straight power amp will out perform a recever.
    hope this helps
    Dan

    So with my H/K AVR7000 i can run RCA's to an external amplifier,such as a Krell KST100 for my mains?.I hope this is possible.:D
    H/K AVR7000

    "LSI25's bi-wired with 2.4s

    Mirage OM c2 Center "LSiC soon"

    FX300i rears "LSi15's soon for the rears".


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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2003
    Apex - You can run pre-outs to whatever amplifier you want to.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Fireman99
    Fireman99 Posts: 129
    edited November 2003
    Apex I dont think it will work check your manual or the back of your recever I think the 7000 is only a 5.1 Recever and only has the Main Ch L&R Surround Ch L&R Center Ch and sub pre outs.
    Dan
    Recever AVR 8000
    Amp PA 4000
    CDR 26
    Mains RTI 150 Bi wired
    Center CSI 40 Bi wired
    Surround FXI 30
    Rear RTI 4
    Sub PSW 140
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2003
    Apex asked about using an external amplifier for running his mains, the AVR7000 has pre-outs to support this function.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Fireman99
    Fireman99 Posts: 129
    edited November 2003
    Doro you are right I misread the post.
    Apex YES you could run the Mian pre Outs on your recever to another Amp for your Mains!
    Dan
    Sorry for the incorect message on my last post
    Recever AVR 8000
    Amp PA 4000
    CDR 26
    Mains RTI 150 Bi wired
    Center CSI 40 Bi wired
    Surround FXI 30
    Rear RTI 4
    Sub PSW 140
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  • Turbota
    Turbota Posts: 255
    edited November 2003
    To add to what was stated above ...

    Question #1: Could a 5.1 home theater processor be used with a vintage power-amp like maybe a Pioneer Spec 4?

    Question #2: If so, could I still use my Pioneer Spec 1 pre-amp / Spec 4 power-amp combo when listening to just 2 channel audio and then switch to the new 5.1 processor and the Spec 4 power-amp combo for 5.1 home theater (without continually changing wires around)?

    I ask this because I believe these older (circa 70s) amps have less connections in the back than the new amps you can now purchase.

    I already have a brand new CD/DVD/SACD player which would supply the Dolby Digital source material for 5.1 home theater, and of course, the required speakers.

    Ron,
    2-Channel Audio
    Onkyo ... A-9050 . . .Integrated Amp. (Power Amp Section not Used)
    Onkyo ... M-282 . ... Power Amps .(Pair)
    Onkyo ... C-7030 . _.CD Player
    Polk . . *. RTi A7 - ....Front Speakers
    Polk . . *. RTi A3 - ....Rear Speakers
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  • Turbota
    Turbota Posts: 255
    edited November 2003
    Something interesting. I did a Google search for pre-amp / surround processors. For some reason, none of the big companies like Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic make these. Only high-end companies for big bucks.

    Hell, these high end surround sound processors cost more than your standard Sony 5.1 reciever that includes the Dolby Digital processor, pre-amp, power amp, tuner and DVD player all in one box!

    Too bad Sony, etc don't just make a processor at a reduced price for someone that already has a high end power-amp, tuner, DVD player and don't want a complete 5.1 reciever.

    Oh Well ...
    2-Channel Audio
    Onkyo ... A-9050 . . .Integrated Amp. (Power Amp Section not Used)
    Onkyo ... M-282 . ... Power Amps .(Pair)
    Onkyo ... C-7030 . _.CD Player
    Polk . . *. RTi A7 - ....Front Speakers
    Polk . . *. RTi A3 - ....Rear Speakers
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2003
    Turbota - Sony does make a Surround Pre-Amp, but it isn't cheap, and they make one model. It is a shame that some of the larger manufacturers don't support this bracket, but their is probably not enough demand to justify it.

    The TA-9000ES:
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited November 2003
    What's a real shame is, I'm not aware of anybody offering DVD players, with on-board DD or DTS processing, AND output level control. Go right to the power amps with that one.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited November 2003
    Originally posted by George Grand
    What's a real shame is, I'm not aware of anybody offering DVD players, with on-board DD or DTS processing, AND output level control. Go right to the power amps with that one.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

    George, you may find this little puppy very interesting.

    http://www.msbtech.com/msb_home.htm

    I'm going to pull the trigger on the MVC-1. If you have some time take a look and let me know what ya think.

    HBomb
    ***WAREMTAE***
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited November 2003
    HBomb,

    A product that is loooong overdue............ and maybe just a little overpriced. $8K is a lot of money for a DVD player with processor and volume control. If you can wait it'll be cheaper next year.

    SOMEBODY (the majors maybe?) can bring this product in for a lot less money. Makes you wonder why they won't. 10 years ago, I would've said there isn't a big enough market for them, because there weren't that many preamp/power amp systems out there. But that's not the case anymore. Maybe the majors (who don't offer many power amps any more) are afraid Johnny Q. won't buy their black plastic crap receivers anymore.

    That MVC-1 is a cool-man product, and fairly priced if you ask moi. Smart purchase H-Bomb! Call it the "Receiver Reliever!"

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited November 2003
    Originally posted by George Grand


    That MVC-1 is a cool-man product, and fairly priced if you ask moi. Smart purchase H-Bomb! Call it the "Receiver Reliever!"

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

    I'm glad you think so... its apart of that ever elusive seperates quest. After the off board dd decoder is bagged the h/k will be shipped to the bedroom.

    8K is very extreme but I figure its unique enough if a guy/gal had the cash it would be a cool showpiece.

    HBomb
    ***WAREMTAE***
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