Looking for a receiver, with 11.2 pre-outs.

xantonin
xantonin Posts: 17
edited December 2012 in Electronics
I'm looking to upgrade my receiver so that I can have the ability to add a full 7.2 system with Front High and Front Wide speakers (not either/or).

I'm not worried with how many channels the receiver powers, since I plan to pair this with an Emotiva XPA-5 or another amp.

This has made my search difficult because I've found that some receivers are advertised as 9.2 but support 11.2 outs. I think I've even seen 7.2 receivers support 11.2 channels, they only power 7 channels at a time though.

My only other requirement is I would like to connect to it with an Android phone...


Any suggestions?
Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
Center: CS2 Series II
Rear: Monitor40 Series II
Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited December 2012
    The are out there, but you are looking at at least 2-3k. What is your budget?
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012
    Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3010, last years flagship model & can be had for a great price now that the new models are out. I have one & it's a superb sounding AVR. My 11.2 system is a killer!!!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    I guess I'm putting out feelers to see what this will run me first.

    I've found some for <$2,000. The SC-1522-K runs $1599 but is on sale, and seems to do 9.2 but has 11.2 preouts. I'm trying to open the manual now and find if they can all be active
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3010, last years flagship model & can be had for a great price now that the new models are out. I have one & it's a superb sounding AVR. My 11.2 system is a killer!!!

    Nice, that's what I'm looking to hear. That led me to find this for $898.25 http://www.era2k.com/products/Yamaha-RX%252dA3010BL-9.2%252dChannel-Network-AV-Receiver-%252d%252d-0O0056TWYWL99.html

    I'll wait before pulling the trigger. Any other suggestions?
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012
    That's one hell of a price! I think you'll be hard pressed to find anything of the Yammie's quality at that price point. You will need an amp to take advantage of it's 11 channel capabilities. I see that you will have that covered by what I read in your initial post. It really is one hell of an AVR that will not dissapoint.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited December 2012
    xantonin wrote: »
    Nice, that's what I'm looking to hear. That led me to find this for $898.25 http://www.era2k.com/products/Yamaha-RX%252dA3010BL-9.2%252dChannel-Network-AV-Receiver-%252d%252d-0O0056TWYWL99.html

    I'll wait before pulling the trigger. Any other suggestions?

    Is that a legit site? Looks very suspicious...

    If it is legit that is a great price on what looks to be an awesome receiver...
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Is that a legit site? Looks very suspicious...

    If it is legit that is a great price on what looks to be an awesome receiver...
    I'll be honest, I feel it's too good to be true too. Checking which of my credit cards would be best to use incase I don't get anything so I can backcharge...
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited December 2012
    xantonin wrote: »
    I'll be honest, I feel it's too good to be true too. Checking which of my credit cards would be best to use incase I don't get anything so I can backcharge...
    Smart thinking. Looked fishy to me too.
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    Assuming it is a fake site, this Denon AVR-4311CI seems like it would work: $1,199
    http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR4311CI/DENON-AVR-4311CI-9.2-Channel-Network-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited December 2012
    I think I would go with the denon or look for a different seller for the yammie...
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited December 2012
    xantonin wrote: »
    Nice, that's what I'm looking to hear. That led me to find this for $898.25 http://www.era2k.com/products/Yamaha-RX%252dA3010BL-9.2%252dChannel-Network-AV-Receiver-%252d%252d-0O0056TWYWL99.html

    I'll wait before pulling the trigger. Any other suggestions?

    The tip off to a fake site is to use their own search function for the product listed. Theirs didn't yield any results for Yamaha or the model number.
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  • monepolk
    monepolk Posts: 1,143
    edited December 2012
    I have the Denon and Very Happy with it.
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    edited December 2012
    xantonin wrote: »
    Nice, that's what I'm looking to hear. That led me to find this for $898.25 http://www.era2k.com/products/Yamaha-RX%252dA3010BL-9.2%252dChannel-Network-AV-Receiver-%252d%252d-0O0056TWYWL99.html

    I'll wait before pulling the trigger. Any other suggestions?

    Make sure that's an authorized dealer for Yamaha or you won't get the 3 year warranty!
    Anaheim Hills CA,
    HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30

    2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703
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  • DaveHo
    DaveHo Posts: 3,529
    edited December 2012
    Looks like a bogus site to me. First, they don't list a physical address anywhere on the site. Big red flag to me. Second, they are not listed on resellerratings.com. Third, a quick google search of www.era2k.com returns nothing but other people also questioning if the site is legit & complaints about no shipping confirmation or reception of merchandise.

    STAY AWAY!
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,650
    edited December 2012
    era2k doesn't show up on resellerratings.com so I would be hesitant to do business with them even if your chargeback options protect you.

    EDIT: Guess I should have read Dave's post first. Great minds think alike! :wink:
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    Okay so forgetting about that site, any other suggestions for a unit and place?
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited December 2012
    Amazon has it for $1400.
    Polk Fronts: RTi A7's
    Polk Center: CSi A6
    Polk Surrounds: FXi A6's
    Polk Rear Surround: RTi4
    Sub: HSU VTF-3 (MK1)
    AVR: Yamaha RX-A2010
    B&K Reference 200.7
    TV: Sharp LC-70LE847U
    Oppo BDP-103
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,731
    edited December 2012
    xantonin wrote: »
    Okay so forgetting about that site, any other suggestions for a unit and place?

    Good call,xantonin.

    Just checking out their website, and got curious about return policies, etc.
    http://www.era2k.com/pages/Shipping-%26-Returns.html

    Notice on the left-hand side of the page: "Popular Brands" ?

    Listed are:
    ASICS
    Dockers
    Klogs
    New Balance
    Teva
    Speedo
    Capezio
    Thorogood
    PUMA
    Salomon

    THAT certainly doesn't bode well, certainly not a sign, IMO, of an outfit that's used to dealing with higher end gear.
    Speedos ?

    And I'm not sure if this is the location of the sites IP provider, or their physical address but:

    wwwDOTera2kDOTcom Russia.jpg


    Either way, that's in the middle of bumtruck Egypt. You could probably see Sarah Palin from there. :loneranger:

    If that were a legit deal, it would be one heck of a deal. Not saying it's not, but the possibility of having to return a defective unit would be pretty frightening. UPS may be bad, but UYS is probably worse. (United Yak Service).

    Not beating a dead horse, but as others have mentioned and you have, too ... DON'T.
    Almost guaranteed money out the window.
    Sal Palooza
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  • playback
    playback Posts: 101
    edited December 2012
    badchad wrote: »
    Amazon has it for $1400.


    Play it safe and use Amazon and I vote the Denon models!
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    I'm going to use this to keep track of my research.. found this also, 11.2 pre-out receiver:

    Pioneer Elite SC-55 ($1,099.98 at Amazon)
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    The Yamaha is weirding me out. I am going through the manual and it keeps referring to the other channels as Rear Presence and Front Presence, instead of the Front Wide/Front High. It might not be doing the processing I am looking for.

    Checking out the Pioneer series now. The SC-67 is selling for $1,400 as well. Trying to compare it..
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012
    xantonin wrote: »
    The Yamaha is weirding me out. I am going through the manual and it keeps referring to the other channels as Rear Presence and Front Presence, instead of the Front Wide/Front High. It might not be doing the processing I am looking for.

    Checking out the Pioneer series now. The SC-67 is selling for $1,400 as well. Trying to compare it..

    Different names that's all. Yamaha wrote the book on DSP processing long before Audysey came along.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited December 2012
    I keep hoping Yamaha or Pioneer Elite would make a 11.2 pre/pro stand alone unit,but maybe those days are over for them.
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited December 2012
    No; Yamaha's DSP "presence" modes don't operate in the same way that the surround expansion modes from Dolby PLIIz, AudysseyDSX, or DTS Neo:X do. Yamaha adds content not present in the source material, largely of a reverberation nature, to create what is believed to be a pleasant effect, and individual users may or may not consider it to be so. The others which have front width and/or height modes extract content already present in the source material and direct it to speakers in a way believed to create a more realistic listening experience.

    If front width or height speakers are wanted, the first requirement is that the receiver have one or more of the Dolby, Audyssey or DTS features that provide for them. Then, the number of pre-outs available determines how many of the surround modes can be used simultaneously.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012
    John K. wrote: »
    No; Yamaha's DSP "presence" modes don't operate in the same way that the surround expansion modes from Dolby PLIIz, AudysseyDSX, or DTS Neo:X do. Yamaha adds content not present in the source material, largely of a reverberation nature, to create what is believed to be a pleasant effect, and individual users may or may not consider it to be so. The others which have front width and/or height modes extract content already present in the source material and direct it to speakers in a way believed to create a more realistic listening experience.

    If front width or height speakers are wanted, the first requirement is that the receiver have one or more of the Dolby, Audyssey or DTS features that provide for them. Then, the number of pre-outs available determines how many of the surround modes can be used simultaneously.

    I stand corrected. Similar yet different in their approach. Yamaha DSP creates ambience in their front & rear presence channels. The Dolby version extracts ambience for their effect. Both are very good & I can speak very highly of how well Yamaha DSP creates a very believable sound scape.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • xantonin
    xantonin Posts: 17
    edited December 2012
    I think it's between the Onkyo TX-NR3010 and the Pioneer Elite SC-67.

    Trying to pick apart their manuals to decide, but they both seem to be very solid receivers.
    Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1021-K
    Fronts: Monitor70 Series II
    Center: CS2 Series II
    Rear: Monitor40 Series II
    Sub: 2x PSW505
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