Questions on SRS 3.1
naturallight
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There is a set for sale on the bay. I just don't remember seeing or hearing these. I"assume" they were close to the last SDA's made. Most SRS's have different number's of drivers and tweeters depending on the model #.
These only have 1 SL3000 tweeter in them. Which would kind of seem strange, since most SRS's have at min, 2-3.
Would these be a major upgrade from SDA 1C's? Or not so much. Is there a replacement for the SL3000 tweeter?
These only have 1 SL3000 tweeter in them. Which would kind of seem strange, since most SRS's have at min, 2-3.
Would these be a major upgrade from SDA 1C's? Or not so much. Is there a replacement for the SL3000 tweeter?
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Let me put it this way... I know the SRS 3.1 should sound better then the SDA 1C's.
Now weather it's a smack yourself in the head, gee i should have had a V8 type difference..or just yeah, they sound better, but not worth the money type difference.
Now i know the cab is bigger (altho not by that much), has internal bracing, has 1 extra driver, but 1 less tweeter. Dose this speaker still use the MW6510's and 11's...which you can still get..or different drivers you can't get?
This is an Ebay deal, and the price just keeps going up. It may be out of my price range real quick....but, is this a better speaker to rehab, then the 1C's i already have?? The fact it only has 1 tweeter in it..seems strange, and is this NOT a good thing compared to the 1C's??
I have just never seen or heard these before, so no way i could compare them to the 1C's. Any info would be help full. But these may be way out of my price range real quick if it keeps going the way it has been. -
I have never heard the 3.1tls but I do have a fully modded pair of 1C's. I would not think the 3.1's are THAT much better but you never know. Do you have the room for them? Have you done any mods to your 1C's?
I wouldn't blame you for wanting to try out the 3.1's but I would encourage you to mod the 1C's first before you make that decision.
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Yeah, my 1C's are un modded at this point, and so are the SRS 3.1's. Now i would think the SRS is a better speaker.......But...i was down listening to my 1C's. They are just tough to beat..even un modded.
If your talking about "SDA" sound...then i'm not sure you could tell one from the other..per say. The fact it has 1 extra driver..well thats probably a plus..the fact it has 1 less tweeter...not so sure.
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I am bidding on this pair as well. My max is 395.00 so if you want them I will back off. My interest in them comes from them having the original boxes for shipping purposes.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The 3.1 is an excellent speaker. It was Polk's last SDA design, a culmination of all their best ideas.SRS 3.1TL
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The 3.1 is an excellent speaker. It was Polk's last SDA design, a culmination of all their best ideas.
And with that I've seen mentions here and there of the 3.1TL being just as favorably musical as the 2.3TL.
They spank everything I've listened to thus far and there untouched. -
I own both the 3.1TL's and the 2.3TL's. I do not own a pair of 1C's, but have heard them (a while back however). The order of my preference is 1C's, 3.1TL's and 2.3TL's (as you would expect). As to saying that the 3.1TL's are smack your head "better" than the 3.1TL's? I don't know if I would go that far, but I would say they are a worth the upgrade. Again, this is based upon my memory of the sound of the 1C's however. I would recommend picking them up as an upgrade over the 1C's within a reasonable dollar amount (being say $500 or less). I just noticed that the auction ends in 7 hours, so I don't know that you will see this in time. Sorry for the late reply.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
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My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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A lot (I find) has to do with the room you have to place the SDA line. I really dig the 2b's (not modded) but a they were made, and the CRS+ set I have as mains in my bedroom are great. Neither set is enough for the room, so for me the SDA1B's are the way I went. The set on eBay is sweet, but just too big for the area I need to fill. Hope you get them and they work great in the room you place them in!"if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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They sold for $475 or so...far beyound my $380 limit. Looked in really good shape, too. Not really a bad deal (if you don't count the shipping) LOL
There dosen't seem to be deals on the bay for SDA type speakers. Even the 1C's people want 5-600 bucks for these days. Seems like the prices just keep going up. -
naturallight wrote: »They sold for $475 or so...far beyound my $380 limit. Looked in really good shape, too. Not really a bad deal (if you don't count the shipping) LOL
There dosen't seem to be deals on the bay for SDA type speakers. Even the 1C's people want 5-600 bucks for these days. Seems like the prices just keep going up.
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That was a fair price for such a good speaker. I have a pair of fully modded 3.1s that are the best sounding SDA I have had to date.
They have bettered a pair of fully modded 1Cs, a pair of fully updated SRS 2 TLs, a pair of "stock" 2.3TLs and a pair of CRS+ TLs.
The 3.1s image perfectly and produce a very good layered sound stage. As stated before, "very musical". -
Neither of the 3 mentioned (1C, 3.1, 2.3) are slouches. Base it on availability in your area since SDA's can be scarce on a local level. $380 won't buy you a nice pair of floor-standers unless you happen upon a great deal, but you could wait forever. If your budget is $380 look for a pair of CRS+'s with the single tweeter and PIN/Blade if not the single tweeter with BLADE/BLADE will be fine too. Stay away from the (2) tweeter CRS's unless it's a stupid good deal. Try to get the original stands with them as well.
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Well, i just happened to see these on ebay. I had never seen these up for sale before, and was interested in them. I really can't afford anything right now, but i figured I could get away with $380, with out the wife killing me...LOL I need another set of speakers like a hole in the head right now. I have my set of original SDA 1C's, a set of RTi12's and a set of old Large Advents sitting in my basement....so it's not like i'm lacking for speakers...LOL I really should sell off some of this stuff....but it just goes against my grain, sorta speak. Now any "normal" person (non audiophile type) would walk into my basement, look at all the speakers sitting around and say, why on earth do you need so many speakers.
My stock answer would be...well when i get tired of listening to 1 set, i can just switch them out, change my seating position(depending on speaker) and listen to those speakers for a while....LMAO
Which of course makes perfect sense to me, but probably not alot to most people.
The RTi 12's are really darn good speakers.."assuming" you have the right power and equipment to run them.
With a tube CD player and my Onkyo M504 power amp...there not as bright, or brittle as some people would lead you to believe. But when you take them out and replace them with the 1C's thats kind of a night and day difference. If i was to sell a set of speakers it would probably be the 12's.
The only short fall of the 1C's...and pretty much, the must do upgrade is to get rid of the SL2000 tweeters.
Which i have not done yet, since the wife is spending every penny on the house..but i'll get it done eventually. -
How do you like the M-504 on your 1C's? Have you had any problems with it being dual mono with the SDA's? I have access to one but have held off to make sure it was Ok to put on those speakers. I have never really had a problem with it before but just wanted to make sure.
I used to have too many speakers (probably still do) but it got to the point where, I could sell what I don't really need and concentrate on better gear for just ONE system, instead of having a lot of mediocre stuff laying around. I am MUCH happier now, less clutter, better listening. -
Yeah, i hear you...I have far too much stuff hanging around, that i don't use and really should sell.....
But as far as the Onkyo M504....if you already have the amp..heck yeah..fire that up with the SDA's..they love it. I don't know what your using to run your 1C's right now. But if it's any less power, then the M504....for sure plug that puppy in...LOL I have used this power amp for years on end with the 1C's...no problems. -
great to hear. I am using an Adcom GFA-555 and have for years. Love that amp but want to try something new. My father used the M-504 on his SDA 2.3's years ago and they have a Xover issue at the moment, I didn't know if the onkyo is what caused it or not.
Now that I know, I will throw the M-504 (which is not in much use now) in there and have a listen! Also going to try an NAD 218 just for kicks... -
Well..if the 2.3's have an Xover issue..I'm not sure what to say. I would tend to think the Onkyo really had nothing to do with it...but can't say for sure. Did the amp ever shut down on him?
I would tend to go slow....how much different the m504 sounds against the 555....I don't know. It may sound some what warmer then the 555...but thats a guess and you may hear no difference at all. -
naturallight wrote: »If i was to sell a set of speakers it would probably be the 12's.
I also had the RTi12's, good for HT, not so much for music. Sold mine to finance the mods to the 1Cs. Good investment in sound, the 1Cs aren't going anywhere soon, if at all. Don't miss the 12's. -
LMAO..yeah Mike...i do agree with you ..to a point. The RTi 12's..with the right equipment pushing it..is not a bad stereo speaker at all...and far better then most. But to put them up against SDA 1C's..then that's a different ballgame. The problem i have with the 1C's right now..is pretty much the SL2000 tweeters.
Now if your playing something that has a single vocal, or guitar...or something with not alot of stuff throw at it....they sound great..but when they have a lot of stuff throw at them at once...then..I hate to say it..but they become...muddy...or maybe NOT as accurate.
The 12's on the other hand don't have that problem. But the overall sound difference between the two..is massive.
Once i upgrade the tweeters on the 1C's..and i like what i hear....then..yeah, i would probably sell the 12's. -
naturallight wrote: »Well..if the 2.3's have an Xover issue..I'm not sure what to say. I would tend to think the Onkyo really had nothing to do with it...but can't say for sure. Did the amp ever shut down on him?
I would tend to go slow....how much different the m504 sounds against the 555....I don't know. It may sound some what warmer then the 555...but thats a guess and you may hear no difference at all.
yea I have no real evidence that the Onkyo caused the problem. The dimensional drivers in the right speaker just aren't working right, very little output. Could have nothing to do with the xovers at all and I am upgrading them with gimpods boards and parts from VR3 when funds become available anyway. I have the boards and Larry's rings already.
No, the amp never shut down, never had a problem with it. Its currently in use at our restaurant but only sparingly up in our event space.
get those RDO's in there, you won't be sorry. -
Wow...i have no words for that..but go buy a $400 buck QSC to run the restaurant. Don't beat the M504 into the ground.
To be blunt....to hear any difference in these two power amps...probably not. But you can give it a shot. -
To be honest....i would love to hear what you think about the two amps on a set of 1C's...
My basic guess would be...you can't hear any difference....but I may be totally wrong.
But let me know...the difference between the Adcom 555 and the Onkyo M 504..may be nothing..but if you can hear it...i would love to know..and what you heard.... -
We don't really use it in the restaurant much at all, the room is designed for live music and gatherings and if music is playing, its most likely just short bursts of low playing background stuff. Trust me, I would replace it instantly if it were being used as a club system.
Either way, I am going to take it home and try it out on the 1C's with a couple of different preamps. -
I have a pair of SRS 3.1TLs that I acquired about 3 months ago. They're in a my study (12x14). I'm driving them with a Carver M-1.5t amplifier and a Adcom preamp/tuner. After spending a little time on placement they absolutely sing! They sound fantastic with the right source material. That's the only real issue..poor quality recordings are really stripped to the bone revealing the flat, lackluster detail in the original recording. With a quality recording though..WOW!!!
I really like the height of the soundstage that these speakers project. The tweeter being very close to ear level while in the seated position really seems to help with the placement of vocal intensive tracks.
My Polks replaced a pair of Klipsch Heresy IIs operated with a 12" self-powered subwoofer. It sounded nice but I have no regrets replacing that set-up with the SDAs and ditching the subwoofer as well. The image that these speakers throw coupled with the fantastic bass extension make for a very enjoyable listening experience.
A pair of 1.2TLs coupled with a Sunfire 2-channel amplifier is on the wish list but for now I'm very content.
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I have a pair of SRS 3.1TLs that I acquired about 3 months ago. They're in a my study (12x14). I'm driving them with a Carver M-1.5t amplifier and a Adcom preamp/tuner. After spending a little time on placement they absolutely sing! They sound fantastic with the right source material. That's the only real issue..poor quality recordings are really stripped to the bone revealing the flat, lackluster detail in the original recording. With a quality recording though..WOW!!!
I really like the height of the soundstage that these speakers project. The tweeter being very close to ear level while in the seated position really seems to help with the placement of vocal intensive tracks.
My Polks replaced a pair of Klipsch Heresy IIs operated with a 12" self-powered subwoofer. It sounded nice but I have no regrets replacing that set-up with the SDAs and ditching the subwoofer as well. The image that these speakers throw coupled with the fantastic bass extension make for a very enjoyable listening experience.
A pair of 1.2TLs coupled with a Sunfire 2-channel amplifier is on the wish list but for now I'm very content.
Joe
What Adcom pre? Depending on what model you have, you might look at moving to a different pre for an upgrade rather than a Sunfire 2 channel amp as honestly your Carver will give em all the power they want and the Sunfire may be more of a lateral move."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
for my 3.1TLs im running a shanling a3000 with NOS RCA tubes ....seems to handle them quite well
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I'm using an Adcom GTP-500 Preamp/Tuner (picked up cheap)..keeping my eye out for a good deal on a GFP-565 Preamp. The M-1.5t drives the 3.1TLs very well (500 watts/ch rms @ 4 ohms).EndersShadow wrote: »What Adcom pre? Depending on what model you have, you might look at moving to a different pre for an upgrade rather than a Sunfire 2 channel amp as honestly your Carver will give em all the power they want and the Sunfire may be more of a lateral move.
Even though the Sunfire might be a lateral move it sure looks pretty
The Sunfire Amp matched up with a Sunfire Tube Preamp would look (and I'm sure sound) great.
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I'm using an Adcom GTP-500 Preamp/Tuner (picked up cheap)..keeping my eye out for a good deal on a GFP-565 Preamp. The M-1.5t drives the 3.1TLs very well (500 watts/ch rms @ 4 ohms).
Even though the Sunfire might be a lateral move it sure looks pretty The Sunfire Amp matched up with a Sunfire Tube Preamp would look (and I'm sure sound) great.
Joe
True, but I would get the Sunfire Tube Pre-amp first and then see if you needed the amp :biggrin:...
As a side note I have heard/read (but never experienced myself) that Adcom's tend to be a bit grainy/bright so maybe look at some other pre options out there. I know the GTP-750 pre though is supposed to be the bee's knee's....."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Thanks!
