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stanley4legs
stanley4legs Posts: 6
edited November 2012 in Speakers
Just got a great deal on RTi8's and a CSi a6. Hooked them up to my yamaha rx v673 and it sounds extremely throaty. Previously had an onkyo box setup and it actually sounded better than the polks. Now, I know I'm doing something wrong here, I have the fronts and center set to large, but after re calibrating, then customizing the settings, I just can't seem to get this to improve a whole lot. I still have the old 200 watt onkyo sub and it has become non existant with the polks in play. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Yamaha rx v673
Polk RTi 8
Polk CSi a6
HSU VTF2 MK4
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  • hewlew1
    hewlew1 Posts: 154
    edited November 2012
    Welcome to the forum. I am sure someone with specific knowledge of components you have as well as what you are trying to do will chime in shortly.
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  • SugarmillMan
    SugarmillMan Posts: 175
    edited November 2012
    stanley4legs wrote: »
    Just got a great deal on RTi8's and a CSi a6. Hooked them up to my yamaha rx v673 and it sounds extremely throaty. Previously had an onkyo box setup and it actually sounded better than the polks. Now, I know I'm doing something wrong here, I have the fronts and center set to large, but after re calibrating, then customizing the settings, I just can't seem to get this to improve a whole lot. I still have the old 200 watt onkyo sub and it has become non existant with the polks in play. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

    I think most people here would hesitate to give any advice without knowing about the size of the room, your listening habits and how the room is furnished (Rugs or tile, hardwood). Can you expand on what "throaty" means in this situation, too? Thanks.
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    Subwoofer: HSU VTK3-MK3
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  • roost28
    roost28 Posts: 39
    edited November 2012
    ypao probably did not run properly, turn ypao off and try a manual st up, run all your speakers "small" and at 80htz and set your "bass out" to "sub" and see how that sounds.
    samsung un40eh5300
    yamaha rx-a3010
    oppo bdp-105
    rtiA7, front
    csiA4, center
    rtiA1, front presence
    rtiA1, surrounds
    PSW 505, sub
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited November 2012
    No experience with your electronics, but I've used an A6 before and I thought it was an EXCELLENT center channel speaker.


    ... after a little research... it looks like your AVR is rated at 90WPC with only (2) channels driven. If you have (5) speakers hooked up, you may only be giving those polks 50WPC or so. You need some MAN POWER! Unfortunately your AVR doesn't have a full set of preouts... but it does have preouts for your fronts, so you could add a (2) channel amp for your fronts, but I'd look to replace the AVR with a beefy AVR, or with a non-beefy AVR that has preouts and then add an external amp.

    Again, those RTi's are sweet.. especially the A6. Don't give up!
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  • stanley4legs
    stanley4legs Posts: 6
    edited November 2012
    SugarmillMan wrote: »
    I think most people here would hesitate to give any advice without knowing about the size of the room, your listening habits and how the room is furnished (Rugs or tile, hardwood). Can you expand on what "throaty" means in this situation, too? Thanks.

    23' wide 13' deep, 7'6" high ceiling, carpeted. From 3' from the right there is a 5'w x 7'h opening. From the left there is a 6' x 7' 6" h opening. "Throaty" to me sounds like the mains are channeled into the center. Hollow in other words. Multiple adjustments have been made and I have come to the conclusion that the sub may be the primary problem and secondary is the un matched side and rear speakers as they are the original onkyos. Can anybody second this thought? As y'all see, I'm attempting t0 build my system and would appreciate any help. I realize that the rx-v673 does not offer any pre out amp ability and would prefer ANY direction on how to improve this system. It would be a shame to waste the deals I have come across with the Polks.
    Yamaha rx v673
    Polk RTi 8
    Polk CSi a6
    HSU VTF2 MK4
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited November 2012
    roost28 wrote: »
    ypao probably did not run properly, turn ypao off and try a manual st up, run all your speakers "small" and at 80htz and set your "bass out" to "sub" and see how that sounds.

    This is what you should do Stanley, Welcome to Club Polk.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • stanley4legs
    stanley4legs Posts: 6
    edited November 2012
    cfrizz wrote: »
    This is what you should do Stanley, Welcome to Club Polk.

    Nope, just tried and that isn't it. Thank you for your input however. Setting the speakers to small only made it worse, like..............why did I get the 8's...........the center seems to overtake everything.
    Yamaha rx v673
    Polk RTi 8
    Polk CSi a6
    HSU VTF2 MK4
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  • roost28
    roost28 Posts: 39
    edited November 2012
    are these new speakers? or did you by them used?
    samsung un40eh5300
    yamaha rx-a3010
    oppo bdp-105
    rtiA7, front
    csiA4, center
    rtiA1, front presence
    rtiA1, surrounds
    PSW 505, sub
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    edited November 2012
    I would suggest, since your center seems to be running great, wire it to each of the L/R outputs. This will eliminate an AVR issue.
    Have a 571, and every now and again ypao has a glitch. The mike has to be clear of any sound dampening equipment. Write down the settings, and rerun the calibration a few times. It could be an issue with the software in that particular reciever. If you get large differences in the settings, that may be your problem. 0.5 decibles would be acceptable variations.
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  • specd_out
    specd_out Posts: 505
    edited November 2012
    I pretty had pretty much your setup. I have rtia5s, a6, and at one time had a v463.

    Make sure all settings are back to factory for the AVR and start from scratch. There was a way to factory reset on mine. Look in your manual and see what it says.

    Run the YPAO and see what you get then run some of the preset soundscapes. See if anything changes.

    Stupid question but you dont have your center wired into the L/R channels do you?
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited November 2012
    I have the RX-V667, and I gave up on YPAO in my smallish room, about 15 x 14, 9' ceilings with open passageways on two perpendicular walls. Never could get the balance right.

    I did a manual set up, took some trial and error to get it dialed in, but it now sounds really good. I have my front L-R mains powered by a separate power amp so the avr is only pushing the center and surrounds.
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012
    I found that my beats audio mixer did a better job than ypao in my barracks room
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012
    Beats on the ho dv6 laptop
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012
    Hp*...
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • stanley4legs
    stanley4legs Posts: 6
    edited November 2012
    specd_out wrote: »
    I pretty had pretty much your setup. I have rtia5s, a6, and at one time had a v463.

    Make sure all settings are back to factory for the AVR and start from scratch. There was a way to factory reset on mine. Look in your manual and see what it says.

    Run the YPAO and see what you get then run some of the preset soundscapes. See if anything changes.

    Stupid question but you dont have your center wired into the L/R channels do you?


    Ok, First, thanks all for your input. Started over with speakers set to small. Adjusted settings and set sub @ 180. (this drastically improved the missing lowend) Marked overall improvement, however I still continue to get what has been deemed a "nasal" effect by the significant other. Center was not wired to L/R. CSia6 is brand new. RTi8's have very little time on them. Sub definately needs replaced as the old Onkyo was from a box setup. I'm leaning towards a HSU VTF-3 MK3 after reading everywhere and not seeing anything negative. Any thoughts here? I was hoping that maybe some kind of black friday sale could produce favorable results with the sub and new surrounds. The more I read the worse it gets for this Yamaha RX V673 as it doesn't appear that it is going to be able to keep up with the speakers.
    Yamaha rx v673
    Polk RTi 8
    Polk CSi a6
    HSU VTF2 MK4
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