Steely dans Gaucho gets a relisten.

scottyboy76
scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
edited November 2012 in Music & Movies
Pretzel logic and aja are two of my favorite albums, although strangely enough, the sorta jazz rock of later dan stuff is not my thing.

Bought a fine vinyl copy of gaucho from music direct, played it when it first got here, put it aside.

But i have learned my lesson over time, James Mcmurtry being the latest artist i rediscovered, after just a cursory listen.

Last night I gave the side with hey nineteen another spin, very nice, will be sharing with deb tonight, late, when we need music to take our attention away from things, hoping it moves her.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,956
    edited October 2012
    Some of the best Steely Dan lyrics ever..

    The Cuervo Gold, The fine Colombian, Make tonight a wonderful thing :mrgreen:
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited October 2012
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Some of the best Steely Dan lyrics ever..

    The Cuervo Gold, The fine Colombian, Make tonight a wonderful thing :mrgreen:
    :eek: Skate a little lower now !:lol:
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    edited October 2012
    Great album...I have it on SACD but I'm sure its amazing on vinyl! Hope it takes you and deb away from things for awhile.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,954
    edited October 2012
    I love(d) Steely Dan, but Gaucho just never did it for me.
    Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening...
    :-)

    Otherwise I was and still am a fan of their classic output, and FWIW I actually quite like their first album, including some of its less-than-legendary tracks (e.g., Brooklyn Owes the Charmer, Dirty Work, and Changing of the Guard).
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,509
    edited October 2012
    One of my fav Steely Dan albums. I have a 200gram Japanese Universal Records pressing of Gaucho that I'll put up against anybody's pressing. I use it as a demo here. One of my friends that wasn't familiar with Dan loved Gaucho and bought their entire catalog, only to find he didn't care for the early stuff. I like all their stuff.
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited October 2012
    One of my all time favs as well. I started using it as a reference recording because it sounds so good, and I ended up falling in love with the music!

    Hope you guys have a good night.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited October 2012
    His Best IMO , Love that Album. I rock it from time to time.
    Dan
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    edited October 2012
    It's never sounded so good as when played through my new Yaqin. ;)
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited October 2012
    How in the world did dirty work not become a classic.

    I foresee terrible trouble but i stay here just the same
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited October 2012
    stretchl wrote: »
    It's never sounded so good as when played through my new Yaqin. ;)

    Im gonna try that tube gear someday.

    Jerry j12 loaned me a little organ amp he had reworked, even though not much power, you could tell it was different.
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited October 2012
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Some of the best Steely Dan lyrics ever..

    The Cuervo Gold, The fine Colombian, Make tonight a wonderful thing :mrgreen:

    Never was a fan of the cuervo, I have a story about me, tequila, a young lady i was dating, and some very nice friends of hers i had just met.

    It will beat any tequila story out there, and i dont mean in a good way.

    Now the other stuff, well...................
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  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited October 2012
    Who is the gaucho amigo? Why is he standing, In your spangled leather poncho, And your elevator shoes.
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,956
    edited October 2012
    Hahah, I need to hear this. Send it via PM if necessary!

    I also really like Babylon Sisters from this album.
    scottyboy76 wrote: »
    Never was a fan of the cuervo, I have a story about me, tequila, a young lady i was dating, and some very nice friends of hers i had just met.
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  • gdpeck
    gdpeck Posts: 840
    edited October 2012
    I love Gaucho. I have a copy of it on DVD-A and really like the multi-channel mix. My kids are sick of it, because for some reason it is the only DVD-A in my car right now, so it gets played over and over. @scottyboy76 I truly hope that listening to Gaucho or any music is helpful for you and your wife at this difficult time. Music has a lot of power, whether it is to heal, or just to ease suffering for a few minutes, and I hope you are able to take advantage of that power.
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited October 2012
    Thanks guys your words and support mean so much, thats the honest truth.

    I listened to both sides last night, loved it, deb, however, was in the back, on the phone with an old high school friend for hours,hgtv on the pio plasma with the sound turned down, which is fine, they talk about everything under the sun, old and new, and she always comes back decompressed.

    BTW, I made a mistake, although i like pretzel logic, the album i was thinking of is Cant buy a thrill.

    Dirty work is such a forgotten classic, and i still remember being literally mesmerized as a teen, listening to the little radio in our camper, the first time i heard Do it again.

    Not exaggerating, I just sat there entranced by the rhythm and sound of it, and when it was over and the DJ started talking, It snapped my head back a little.

    Up until then music had just sorta been rockin songs,something to get your blood pumping, or little jingle pop time fillers, It was a new experience for me.
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited October 2012
    Clip, I would have to have some verification from other trusted polkies as to your trustworthyness to keep it to yourself, its that bad.

    And to top it all off, were not even talking about a drunk on tequila story, only had 2 shots, and no its not pukin or anything.
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited October 2012
    I recently borrowed a copy of Aja and have been enjoying. However, it is the Remastered CD version and seems annoyingly bright.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,954
    edited November 2012
    Aja on CD - heresy! ;-)

    The licorice pizza version is the only way to fly as far as I am concerned. Heck, oldster that I am, my favorite version remains my purchased new MoFi half speed mastered ("SR/2" - Stan Riker) version from the late 1970s. Probably a little heavier sounding than current tastes in reproduction and loudspeakers would prefer, but dead quiet, dynamic and smooth like buttah.
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited November 2012
    I may have to cruise the local used licorice emporium to see what I can find. Of course then I need to find a place to set up my licorice spinner.
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  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited November 2012
    I broke out "The Royal Scam" on vinyl last night. Since I was home alone I decided to crank up the volume a bit louder than usual. Well I was in Air Guitar/Dance heaven for the Green Earrings and Haitian Divorce. The SDA 1C's were singing and dancing right along!!

    Awesome!!!
    I got static in my head
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,954
    edited November 2012
    Haven't listened to The Royal Scam in a long time.

    I do want to say one thing in favor of the redbook CD (reissue) versions of the classic Steely Dan albums - the album notes are a hoot; the CDs are worth acquiring for those alone :-) (I only have a few of them).
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,509
    edited November 2012
    You mean like they "were under the influence of a seemingly inexhaustible supply of whatever......"

    I love The Royal Scam too. One of their more prominent guitar works albums. Along with what was mentioned, Kid Charlemagne.... Is there gas in the car?... The Larry Carlton guitar in Don't Take Me Alive.

    Just a did you know that....after MCA acquired ABC Records, the MCA releases had changed the color of the album title to white.

    scam.jpg
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited November 2012
    yes theres gas in the car!!!
    humpty dumpty was pushed
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,956
    edited November 2012
    I think the people down the hall know who you are! :loneranger:
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited November 2012
    I just picked up a vinyl copy of Gaucho and was wondering what the significance of the gold stamp on the cover might be (MCA-xxxxx).
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited November 2012
    Does it have something to do with the album being a "Master Disk", which is stamped in the run-out area of the vinyl?
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,509
    edited November 2012
    Masterdisk could be the mastering/label house that pressed the LP or possibly a first pressing for MCA Records. It would be a re-release as MCA acquired ABC records in '79. The Royal Scam was released under the ABC Records label in '76. I have a copy of each label as shown in earlier post. MCA noticably marked their territory on the face of album jackets.

    Seeing all the info in the dead wax should help ID it.


    Here you go, The Royal Scam page from Discogs with catalog numbers and release dates.

    http://www.discogs.com/Steely-Dan-The-Royal-Scam/master/16969

    Check out The Steve Hoffman forum to get informative details about pressings.

    http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/


    EDIT:

    Just to add a list I saved from another forum....

    Label/Mastering Houses

    AT = Atlantic
    CL = Columbia
    Capitol = Capitol
    Kendun = Kendun Recorders
    SS = Sterling Sound
    Sterling = Sterling Sound
    Masterdisk = Masterdisk
    TML = The Mastering Lab
    SRC = Specialty Records Corp.
    Townhouse = Townhouse, London

    Mastering Engineers:

    Masterdisk G.K. = Gilbert Kong at Masterdisk
    Masterdisk H.W. = Howie Weinberg at Masterdisk
    Masterdisk R.L. = Robert Ludwig at Masterdisk
    Az or AZ = Allen Zentz
    Az with a flower symbol or a seagull symbol = Brian Gardner at Allen Zentz mastering
    Sterling LH = Lee Hulko at Sterling Sound
    Sterling TJ = Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound
    Sterling RL = Robert Ludwig at Sterling Sound
    MCA SH = Steve Hall at MCA
    GP@AT = George Piros at Atlantic
    Pecko Duck = George Peckham
    Porky Prime Cut = George Peckham


    More:


    AZ CB = Chris Bellman at Allen Zentz
    MASTERDISK BK = Bill Kipper at Masterdisk
    KENDUN JG = John Golden at Kendun
    kdisc JG = John Golden at K-Disc
    STERLING with a star or baseball-looking symbol = Greg Calbi at Sterling
    Precision SM = Stephen Marcussen at Precision Lacquer
    [Criteria logo stamp] MF = Mike Fuller at Criteria
    FULLERSOUND MF = Mike Fuller at Fullersound
    AT/sf = Sam Feldman at Atlantic
    [Bell Sound stamp] sf =Sam Feldman at Bell Sound
    MASTERED BY EMI or MASTERED BY LIBERTY stamp with 'McM' handwritten = Ron McMaster at EMI NY



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    "DMS Herbie Jr." followed by a smile: Herb Powers Jr. at Hit Factory, NYC
    "RAYS": Ray Staff at Trident Studios, London
    "RJ STERLING": Ray Janos at Sterling Sound, NYC
    "BilBo Tape One": Denis Blackham at Tape One Studios
    "Tippy-HFM" or "Tippy @ Hit Factory Mastering": Tony Tarochione at Hit Factory, NYC
    "JAMF": Just Another Mastering Facility, Toronto
    "TLC": The Lacquer Channel, Toronto
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,509
    edited November 2012
    As an example, my ABC pressing of The Royal Scam is a fine early Allen Zentz mastering. I have two squiggly seagulls after the initials 'Az' so it was done by Brian Gardner at Allen Zentz. (There is a thread over at Steve Hoffman forum with must have Zentz pressings). So what's in your dead wax? Interesting stuff sometimes.


    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Az or AZ = Allen Zentz
    Az with a flower symbol or a seagull symbol = Brian Gardner at Allen Zentz mastering
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited November 2012
    Good info. Thanks
    Stan

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    HT:
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    Other stuff:
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited November 2012
    :biggrin:Dont ask on this forum if you arent ready for some help
    humpty dumpty was pushed
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