Rear Speakers ??

03SONIC
03SONIC Posts: 46
edited November 2012 in Speakers
I am gathering speakers for my 600sq room. I have a 73inch new DLP and now I want a pounding system for it:razz:. Here is what I have so far.....

1) Fronts RTIA9's
2) Center CSIA6
3) SVS sub


Two questions should I run 7.1 or 5.1? And I am really torn on rear speakers/side speakers. This will be 60% Music 40% movies. My plan is to get all the speakers first, then I will get a amp/pre-amp. I am looking for A7's for the rear but I cant find them on sale anywhere. If you had your choice, you finish it for me. :cool:
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 325
    edited October 2012
    Would bookshelf speakers be too small for that large of a room? I would think that properly powered RTI A bookshelf speakers would be plenty for rear fill especially when you have 4 of them. If you went with the A7 towers instead, then you'd probably be looking at a 5.1 and not to mention an overkill on the rear fill. A 7.1 configuration with externally amped shelvies will create the perfect balance between fill and range.
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    sponger wrote: »
    Would bookshelf speakers be too small for that large of a room? I would think that properly powered RTI A bookshelf speakers would be plenty for rear fill especially when you have 4 of them. If you went with the A7 towers instead, then you'd probably be looking at a 5.1 and not to mention an overkill on the rear fill. A 7.1 configuration with externally amped shelvies will create the perfect balance between fill and range.

    Run 4 RTiA3 ? sides and rears? They will be music the most of the time.
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    edited October 2012
    FXi/a6 for surround (5.1)
    RTi/A1 for rears (7.1)
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  • squeeb
    squeeb Posts: 426
    edited October 2012
    Here are some A7s on Polk's eBay store. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EACH-RTi-A7-RTiA7-CHERRY-Tower-Loudspeaker-Polk-Audio-/230861104209?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item35c064e451
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    squeeb wrote: »
    Here are some A7s on Polk's eBay store. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EACH-RTi-A7-RTiA7-CHERRY-Tower-Loudspeaker-Polk-Audio-/230861104209?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item35c064e451

    I paid that for A9s from the egg last weekend but thank you. Maybe I will grab them and run a 5.1 placing these as sides?
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  • RodneyWoodford
    RodneyWoodford Posts: 144
    edited October 2012
    I've got RTi10 for front and RTi4 for rear in a room 14x28 and I'm quite happy with that setup . Harmon running center , rears and sub and adcom running towers.
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    I am torn on going 7.1 or 5.1. With the speakers I have a 5.1 would be less and all I need is sides or rear. I can run a amp and pre amp and just decide on sides or rears. Going 7.1 I would need 4 more speakers and 2 amps to drive the 3 fronts, 2 sides and 2 rears. Is 7.1 really worth it. Its a 600sq room with high ceilings. Thanks Guys
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  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited October 2012
    I went from a 5.1 to a 7.1 after I bought my Onkyo receiver. When its ran in audyssey mode for 7.1 there is no comparing it to the other 5.1 listening modes.
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    cowtrimmer wrote: »
    I went from a 5.1 to a 7.1 after I bought my Onkyo receiver. When its ran in audyssey mode for 7.1 there is no comparing it to the other 5.1 listening modes.

    So if I go 7.1 what sides and rear speakers would you guys run. Keep in mind its a large room with very high ceilings.
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  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited October 2012
    For me that would depend on room configuration,seating,and the aesthetics of the room.
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    cowtrimmer wrote: »
    For me that would depend on room configuration,seating,and the aesthetics of the room.



    This is the way I could lay out a 7.1 I have plenty of space and very high ceilings. So if I run 7.1 I really want the best for the rear and the sides, even though going from 5.1 to 7.1 will be a hike money wise. dolby_pro_logic2x.jpg
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  • pdxfj
    pdxfj Posts: 376
    edited October 2012
    As someone already suggested go with F/Xi A4 or A6 di-poles for your sides and standard mono-pole speakers for your rears. If you have the ceiling height go with the A6's. Mount them 2-3 feet above your head and just slightly behind the listening position.

    Di-pole speakers create a very open rear sound stage.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,990
    edited October 2012
    Sorry for reading all replies before drafting mine.

    Per rpf65 & others, for 5.1 surrounds FXi A6 would be my first recommendation.


    For 7.1: FXi A6 for side/surrounds.
    For rear(s) you have several choices:
    RTi A3
    CSi A6 (6.1)
    RTi A1
    CSi A4 (6.1)
    If your back wall is very wide and you have the channels & and are a bit crazy, you could run an A6 (CC) between 2 'A3s or an A4 (CC) between 2 'A1s.

    Regardless, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, or even 8.1 you'll likely need a decent 3 channel amp for your LCR to fill that room & fully realize SQ potential.

    My $.02

    Tony


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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited October 2012
    03SONIC wrote: »
    This is the way I could lay out a 7.1 I have plenty of space and very high ceilings. So if I run 7.1 I really want the best for the rear and the sides, even though going from 5.1 to 7.1 will be a hike money wise. dolby_pro_logic2x.jpg

    This is my setup, except I have the sub behind the couch, in the corner between the back and left wall (there's maybe 5-6 ft between the back wall and the couch). Some disagree with this placement, because you really don't see or notice the sub as you enter the room. Than all the sudden it roars, seemingly out of nowhere.

    As to your question, I'd go with the FXiA6's as the rears, and the RTiA3's in back, like everyone else has mentioned.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,990
    edited October 2012
    Corrected reply: "I did NOT read all post before drafting mine"

    And
    cowtrimmer wrote: »
    For me that would depend on room configuration,seating,and the aesthetics of the room.
    +1

    Start w/5.1 and go from there. At the risk of turn this into a wire thread stock up on 12 (or larger) gauge wire. When I return I'll post a link to an eBay listing for some inexpensive 10 gauge.

    Gotta PU a birthday cake for my 5 year old.
    Tony
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    badchad wrote: »
    This is my setup, except I have the sub behind the couch, in the corner between the back and left wall (there's maybe 5-6 ft between the back wall and the couch). Some disagree with this placement, because you really don't see or notice the sub as you enter the room. Than all the sudden it roars, seemingly out of nowhere.

    As to your question, I'd go with the FXiA6's as the rears, and the RTiA3's in back, like everyone else has mentioned.


    I am confused lol..So you saying run the FXIA6 for the sides and the RTIA3 in the rear? You posted back and rear, to me the rear and back are the same lol.
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    pdxfj wrote: »
    As someone already suggested go with F/Xi A4 or A6 di-poles for your sides and standard mono-pole speakers for your rears. If you have the ceiling height go with the A6's. Mount them 2-3 feet above your head and just slightly behind the listening position.

    Di-pole speakers create a very open rear sound stage.

    I have plenty of ceiling height, what about A7s on the side and F/XIA6 for the rear?
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    edited October 2012
    I think the A7's would be a little much for surrounds or rears. It isn't really necessary to have that much attention to either of those positions. It's nice to hear loud explosions in an action movie, but a little dialog is alsobenificial.
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  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited October 2012
    03SONIC wrote: »

    1) Fronts RTIA9's
    2) Center CSIA6
    3) SVS sub


    This will be 60% Music 40% movies. My plan is to get all the speakers first, then I will get a amp/pre-amp. I am looking for A7's for the rear but I cant find them on sale anywhere. If you had your choice, you finish it for me. :cool:

    I wouldnt do the A7's for the rear and that's just a personal sound preference. I like music in front of me and as you said this will be 60% of your listening. Those a9's will be good for that by themselves. For the movie portion I would get 4 of the RTiA3 speakers. For movies I like a wide front soundstage. I placed my towers in a little closer to the TV and instead of mounting the speakers on the side of the room I went high and wide in the front with the rear surrounds in the normal position. In my media room the speakers on the side just distracted me to much, but like i said its just a personal preference.
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  • KiTsuNe
    KiTsuNe Posts: 74
    edited October 2012
    If it's mainly for music why are you looking for such large speakers in the rear? I'd get some A1's or A3's for the rear A6's for the sides and if you want you can also get a set of a7's or a9's for a front wide (9.1)

    My room is much smaller but i now run a 7.2 with A1's as front high's and quite enjoy it. I have no rear speakers. Just A6's as side.
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    I think I got my answers from you guys. I will run the F/XiA6 as sides and the RTIA3 for the rears. Emotiva XPA5 to run the 3 fronts and sides speakers. Do I need a amp for the rears? and what is a decent pre amp or receiver to run this entire set-up. Thanks again guys, sorry I am a noob..:cool:
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,990
    edited October 2012
    O3SONIC: reference your recent post. I gather you're considering an AVR to "orchestrate" your system. That may be adequate* for sides & rears. You can "ea$e into" building you system by, as I suggested earlier, consider a 3 chnl amp for your LCR.

    If you later discover otherwise*, consider 2 separate 2 channel amps. One for your L side & rear, the other for your R side & rear. That will keep your speaker wire runs short and you'll reap the added SQ bennifit of more separate PSs to power your system.

    That eBay link for inexpensive 10 gauge I promised:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/170829854450?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

    To avoids stiring up trouble I'll PM details on the above.

    Getting back to work

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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    A few different ideas posted. Where do you think the RTI3's would sound best in the rear or sides? A few posted the A6's for sides or rears? Thank you for the help guys.
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  • zane77
    zane77 Posts: 1,696
    edited October 2012
    FXi A6's on the side and RTi A3's in the rear
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited October 2012
    zane77 wrote: »
    FXi A6's on the side and RTi A3's in the rear

    You must have this config as thats what the engineers designed those speakers to be used for
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  • 03SONIC
    03SONIC Posts: 46
    edited October 2012
    Well I got FXIA6 for the sides, I am still leaning toward the A5's over the A3's for the rear. Am I nuts? you guys have been a big help.
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  • SugarmillMan
    SugarmillMan Posts: 175
    edited October 2012
    I think having the A5s for rear speakers might be a bit of overkill for that application. But, it's your money and your call....
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  • Kokak
    Kokak Posts: 1
    edited November 2012
    Dear 03SONIC
    You can see my system in System showcase under my name and make decisions, It's great for movie and music.
    Good luck
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  • SugarmillMan
    SugarmillMan Posts: 175
    edited November 2012
    As others have said, spend the majority of your budget getting the best speakers you can afford for your front three (Left,Right and Center.) They will carry the majority of the load for anything you decide to play.
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  • SugarmillMan
    SugarmillMan Posts: 175
    edited November 2012
    I have a 7.2 system having both rear and side surrounds. Frankly, I'm not too sure I would add the rear surrounds if I had to do it again. There is not much pre-mixed 7.1 content out there and many believe a properly balanced 5.1 system can outshine a poorly planned 7.1 system.
    Geoff4rfc wrote: »
    I wouldn't even mess with rears unless I had 9.x set up and was looking to go 11.x

    Personally, I've experimented with all three channels over the standard 5.x using explosive sound tracks with lots of jets, rockets and gun fire. It's a toss up between the rears and heights as to which one gets the least amount of content.

    IF I had to no other choice and HAD to go with rears, I'd add a pair of FXiA4's to my existing FXiA6's in surround.
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