Finally....SACD
halo71
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Well today I finally stepped into the SACD pool. Well kinda. I bought a Denon player locally dirt cheap. I've always wanted to try it out after reading all the threads online everywhere. Now I need to find some SACD disc cheap. Where is the best place online to buy from? Anything exceptionally good disc to check out? I like jazz to blues to county to metal.
--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
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SACD discs and cheap are not words used together.
eBay, Music Direct, Elusive Disc and Amazon are but a few places to buy SACD's.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Why thank you sir!
EDIT: Am I missing something here? http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-Side-Moon-Anniversary/dp/B00008CLOA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346457922&sr=8-1&keywords=sacd--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
dark side of the moon is the first (and only) sacd i own right now. Reasonable price, great sound. :cheesygrin:
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Well today I finally stepped into the SACD pool. Well kinda. I bought a Denon player locally dirt cheap. I've always wanted to try it out after reading all the threads online everywhere. Now I need to find some SACD disc cheap. Where is the best place online to buy from? Anything exceptionally good disc to check out? I like jazz to blues to county to metal.
amazon is a good source for decent prices.
Before you go into the deep end for uber-pricey SACDs...dabble in the cheaper end:
* Elton John - Madman Across the Water
* Dianna Krall - Look of Love
* David Sandborn - Time Again
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
dark side of the moon is the first (and only) sacd i own right now. Reasonable price, great sound. :cheesygrin:
That was my second SACD. I now have about 150, which are mostly classical, with some jazz, and a couple rock. For whatever reason, many rock SACDs are a ripoff costing around $30-$50 when the classical and jazz are in the teens and twentys.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Well after doing some reading....I must use 5.1 connections to my pre/pro to hear SACD playback. That is correct right?
And from what I can tell. Donald Fagan's Kamakiriad is not on SACD damit.
And sadly I am very late to the party! Never had tubes in the chain. Never seen a Blu-Ray. Never used a dedicated DAC. And just went to HD on the sat last year! :redface:--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
No your not missing anything, there are SACD that are "regular" price, its the newer ones from Japan, Mobile Fidelity and such that cost 30-50 or so, then OOP one's worth a hundred or more, mostly greed, free market, scalping, supply and demand, whatever you want to name it. You get thousands and thousands of plays if you choose, years of enjoyment compared to less than a tank of gas which lasts a few weeks. So all how you choose to look at it. The better the system the more the format shines.
Denon, Sony and Pioneer made some nice SACD players, original cost of 1000-1200 or so for flagship although Sony made a mid four figure, they all had less expensive choices as well, the sacd circuit though was pretty good for those that had discreet, generally they were lacking for redbook and a "house" sound defined by the sacd chips/circuit used. More samples on sacd sure, alot more, however, it was always the millions of quantization points compared to thousands on 16-bit that got my motor running with the dynamics, the quality of the interpolater circuit could be suspect in the redbook players.
Enjoy it, go crazy, dip your toe, its all audio, still one of the top formats available, that is why it caught and hung on.
RT1--Everything Matters. That still drives some here crazy...rookies. Oh and Tubes Rule.. -
By the way, the player I got is a Denon DVD-2200. Bought it for about the price of a cheap case of beer. lol--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Don't think you have to listen in 5.1. My inexpensive Sony can listen to SACD in 2.0 or 5.1. Thing is, that you cant listen to SACD through optical. No biggie really.
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I will pull the prepro out tomorrow and hook the player up. I thought for SACD you'd have to have at least 2.1 hooked up so the subwoofer receives signal.--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Don't think so. Its either 2 ch or 5 ch. The .1 is up to your AVR. Nice thing is, you can run 2 ch SACD into a 2 ch system that doesn't have a sub. Sounds good. It is mixed and coded right, not like DTS HD master audio or anything like that, that would sound weird without a sub.
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And if your 2-channel pre or integrated has preouts you can still listen to 2 channel SACDs with the analog outs from the SACD player and still have a sub (via preouts from the preamp/integrated amp, or even go high level outputs).
AVRs shouldn't be part of a 2-channel rig anyway....imho, of course! :cheesygrin:
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
reeltrouble1 wrote: »You get thousands and thousands of plays if you choose, years of enjoyment compared to less than a tank of gas which lasts a few weeks. So all how you choose to look at it. The better the system the more the format shines.
That is a good point. Maybe I will buy Exile On Main Street.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
I am not running an AVR, just a pre/pro. I will also try it with a old Phase Linear preamp Ken gave me.
Thanks for the help guys!--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Its either 2 ch or 5 ch.
Sony/Philips mandated that a SACD has a 2 channel stereo hi-rez mix (unless the recording was in mono). Anything else, from 3.0 to full-blown 5.1, will be optional.
If you're interested in classical music, the Sony/BMG Living Stereo SACD series is highly recommended....and inexpensive (around $10.00/each). They can be ordered from Barnes and Noble. Otherwise, both Steely Dan's "Gaucho" and Dire Straits' "Brothers In Arm" are must buys, imho. -
Lol....I've been so busy with the new job I have not even gotten around to buying a single SACD! I need to read some more I guess. All the different types are somewhat confusing to a noob. Hybrid, single layer, 2.1, 5.1 etc etc.....:eek:--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Sign up for their weekly newsletter and they'll send you a 10% off coupon code during holiday sales.
I saved a few dollars this past Labor Day.
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Just go ahead and order "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Gaucho" To start off and I guarantee you'll get hooked! :cool:Anaheim Hills CA,
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2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703 -
DSOTM is definitely on the must have list!--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Go to sa-cd.net and see what is available on SACD.
Once you get a SACD and played it in your player, you will learn very quickly about this format. Currently, with the exception of those SHM-SACDs from Japan, all SACD are hybrids. Hybrid SACD has a separate CD layer so that your disc can be compatible with your car stereo, regular CD player, or even your portable CD player.
There are a number of out-of-print SACD titles being reissued now. For example, Billy Joel's "52nd Street" and "The Stranger" were originally released by Sony and are currently being reissued by Mobile Fidelity. Before the reissues by MoFi, the Sony SACDs were commanding big bucks. Same with jazz classics like Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" (will be reissued by MoFi) and Dave Brubeck Quartet's "Time Out" (just reissued by Analogue Productions).
Below is a graphic description of what a hybrid SACD is about....
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Well after doing some reading....I must use 5.1 connections to my pre/pro to hear SACD playback. That is correct right?
Actually, no. If you are listening in 2 channel stereo, you can use any analog input (except the phono input, but I'd guess you know that :cheesygrin: ) . If you will be listening in multi-channel, then use the 5.1 analog inputs. Now, lets say you have connected your SACD player to your pre/pro using the 5.1 analog inputs, you can still use them for 2 channel stereo playback.
Alternatively, if you have HT receiver or pre/pro that is HDMI v1.2 or above, you can also transmit SACD's native DSD bitstream using one single HDMI cable (even for full 5.1 surround). -
Don't forget Wish You Were Here. Sweet SACDDSOTM is definitely on the must have list! -
There are quite a few classical recordings that are not expensive and if you like Elton John, he certainly knows how to make a good sounding SACD. These are also reasonably priced. Diana Krall, The Moody Blues, and Eric Clapton also have SACD's available. I'm afraid the Steely Dan album "Gaucho" was just OK for me.Front - Polk LSiM 705, Center - Polk LSiM 704c, Rear - Polk LSi 7
Subwoofer - Epik Legend
Receiver (as Preamp) - Sony STR-DA3400 ES
Amplifier - Outlaw 7125
Television - 58" Samsung Plasma PN58B860
Blu Ray - OPPO BDP 83 -
There are quite a few classical recordings that are not expensive and if you like Elton John, he certainly knows how to make a good sounding SACD. These are also reasonably priced. Diana Krall, The Moody Blues, and Eric Clapton also have SACD's available. I'm afraid the Steely Dan album "Gaucho" was just OK for me.
I think Gaucho is one of my favorites. Maybe it just doesn't float your boat. Speaking of Elton, I just got one of his sacd's named "Elton John" originally recorded in 1970. It sounds incredible!Anaheim Hills CA,
HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30
2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703 -
Speaking of Elton, I just got one of his sacd's named "Elton John" originally recorded in 1970. It sounds incredible!
The sad thing is that several more Elton John albums were remastered and remixed for SACD, but Universal Music didn't have the guts to release them on SACD. -
Diana Krall, The Moody Blues, and Eric Clapton also have SACD's available
Several formerly Warner Bros. Music DVD-A titles have been released in Japan as multi-channel hybrid SACDs....including The Eagles' "Hotel California", Foreigner's "4", Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours", and Chicago's "5". -
Several formerly Warner Bros. Music DVD-A titles have been released in Japan as multi-channel hybrid SACDs....including The Eagles' "Hotel California", Foreigner's "4", Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours", and Chicago's "5".
I got the Eagles "Hotel California" and Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" and like them a lot but he had mentioned he was looking for "cheap" ones. None of these are cheap.Front - Polk LSiM 705, Center - Polk LSiM 704c, Rear - Polk LSi 7
Subwoofer - Epik Legend
Receiver (as Preamp) - Sony STR-DA3400 ES
Amplifier - Outlaw 7125
Television - 58" Samsung Plasma PN58B860
Blu Ray - OPPO BDP 83 -
Well today I finally stepped into the SACD pool. Well kinda. I bought a Denon player locally dirt cheap. I've always wanted to try it out after reading all the threads online everywhere. Now I need to find some SACD disc cheap. Where is the best place online to buy from? Anything exceptionally good disc to check out? I like jazz to blues to county to metal.
Gary,
If I'm not mistaken, and others will correct me just in case, those older players only do SACD by way of the analog outputs. In other words, you won't get the benefit with a digital cable. Also you need 5.1 speakers, so any speaker missing from that scenario will result in lost information. Receivers don't re-route the signal in the analog domain. Just a fyi in case you didn't know you need 6 RCA cables to hook it up. I'm assuming it's an older SACD player. I'll look around and see if I have any SACD's still.HT SYSTEM-
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THanks Tony! I am running a prepro with my power amp. I have plenty of cables and plenty of speakers to run 5.1. Was hoping to run 2.1 though. You say you will check if you still have any SACD's. Does that mean you have moved on to another format? Or don't care for SACD?--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Gary,
If I'm not mistaken, and others will correct me just in case, those older players only do SACD by way of the analog outputs. In other words, you won't get the benefit with a digital cable. Also you need 5.1 speakers, so any speaker missing from that scenario will result in lost information. Receivers don't re-route the signal in the analog domain. Just a fyi in case you didn't know you need 6 RCA cables to hook it up. I'm assuming it's an older SACD player. I'll look around and see if I have any SACD's still.
You are not mistaken. Even the newer ones you have to use the internal dac / analog. for the redbook cd's they will take full advantage of an external dac or digital out but, for listening to the sacd part, you cannot use the coax or optical out.Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
