Nationwide water distribution

pitdogg2

Smallies wrote: »

http://www.annarbor.com/news/opinion/we-need-to-stop-the-exportation-of-water-from-the-great-lakes-to-china/

That and more is exactly what Jesse Ventura did a piece on. Was an big eye opener. I say if we are going to export water to China it should contain the same toxic substances they would ship to us. Fair is Fair

rebuy

I'm reading where a lot of folks think this is a stupid topic, that's because they are uninformed, like most people in the US., or they just don't care that no one is protecting our natural resources. I also saw the J. Ventura Conspiracy Theories Show and how Nestle, a Swiss company, is selling bottled water from the Great Lakes. This water is being shipped all over the world while the Great Lakes are suffering from the damage of a Nestle Water Plant in a remote area so the public doesn't know what they are doing. I'm sure people also scoffed at my earlier post about about T Boone Pickens selling water from an aquifer but US laws have allowed him to do this and contracts have been signed. Personally, I don't think people should be allowed to do this, but Mr. Pickens is just doing what the law allows and will take advantage of the laws regardless of who he hurts.

tonyb

Well, as long as you tow the line of the current administration, you get certain benefits. You would think the EPA would have some say in what Pickens is doing. Ask yourself who is letting him do that. Granted, I don't know any details so I'm taking your word on this, but if it is indeed the case, shame on those letting it happen. The pilferage of america continues. Who exactly is Pickens selling the water to ?

Same goes for Warren Buffet, another hand puppet.

amulford

No, I don't agree with that. They aren't towing the line of the administration, it's the other way around. Our natural resources have been plundered for over two hundred years now. If we as a society don't react soon, your going to see the basic neccesities of life as we are accustomed become unaffordable. Take a look at some of the under developed countries in this world. That is where this society is heading. We aren't progressing, we are regressing.

It ain't going to get better without some serious changes. I feel really despondent for our children and grandchildren.

Pickens wants to pipe the water to the Dallas area to support the anticipated growth. F#@|( what it would do to the finite resource and the consequences for all the others who depend on it. There's a profit to be made, son...

amulford

Know what really pisses me off about the China water exports? Do a little searching on why it costs so much to make photovoltaic solar cells...

tonyb

amulford wrote: »

Pickens wants to pipe the water to the Dallas area to support the anticipated growth. F#@|( what it would do to the finite resource and the consequences for all the others who depend on it. There's a profit to be made, son...

Doesn't make sense...the water in the aquifer would run out sooner or later, then what ? You have to start thinking long term solutions. Natural resources are there to use.....but not abuse. We always have a problem drawing that line. Regardless, we have a water supply problem and 3 quarters of the planet is water, hello.....we can figure this out. Pickens....who cares, the guy just wants to keep making a buck like Buffet. Do you seriously think if the Koch brothers wanted to do the same thing the EPA would be handing them their blessings ?

Anyway, the thread is about water. We have plenty, we have the means and know how to purify it, we just don't have a distribution system in place or enough plants to de salt that Ocean water. That alone would change 3 rd world countries with that technology. But priorities are not in the best interest of the general public now are they ? We could do it here if the will prevailed, and help many others on the planet too. A noble cause that would create jobs, help the economy, and america's reputation around the globe. A win-win in my book.

BlueFox

Didn't we build a canal from the Atlantic to the Great Lakes in the 1900s? Here is a map of canals built in the 1700s and 1800s. Why can't we do better now?

http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/map_american_canals_19th.html

nooshinjohn

The Georgia Guidestones...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

CNN Founder Ted Turner

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."

Mikhail Gorbachev

We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."

Jacques Cousteau

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."

Dave Foreman, the co-founder of Earth First

My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it?s full complement of species, returning throughout the world."

And lastly, Bill Gates proposes using healthcare as a tool to kill and reduce populations!

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It's called Agenda 21... look it up sometime.

goofyGAguy

I say to the Envirowackos who wish to reduce Mother Gaia's population so badly: you go first! Have the courage of your convictions. Kill yourselves now!

BlueFox

We do not need to worry about reducing the population. We are doing a great job, and our actions will reduce it for us. :rolleyes:

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

We do not need to worry about reducing the population. We are doing a great job, and our actions will reduce it for us. :rolleyes:

True and sad to say the least.

World population control ? You have to be living in a closet to not see those spreading the idea, even bringing forth policy to introduce it. What do you think planned parenthood is ? Thing is, everybody has an opinion and can speak it, being a nutjob or not. It's when these nutjobs get into positions of power and no longer have to listen to the citizens that worries me. Most countries/governments, ours included have done a fantastic job of shielding themselves from any accountability. You can do alot of damage in just 4 years, longer in other countries.

For instance, and to not get away from the thread topic of water for too long. Isn't a national government run healthcare system a form of population control ? Who has the power in their hands ? You or a centralized government .....to make those life and death decisions ? I'm reminded of a Mad Men episode when Don Draper was forced to sign a contract for employment. He didn't want to sign it, why ? Because as he put it, it gives them all the power. Same goes here, it's about taking the power away from the average citizen and putting it into the hands of a centralized government.

Back to water.....look at America, before we had running indoor water, clean water. Many countries around the globe are still like we were 200 years ago. Bringing water brings better health, economic upturns, survival in the most basic form. People could support themselves. We built our water systems and industries were created, people flourished. We need to bring our own water systems up to date with newer tech, and newer distribution idea's. Thats where our tax money should be going, not for some failed ideology.

sucks2beme

Population is fueling the problem. WE can't keep doubling the population and expect the
world to support it. Life has always been cheap in the world in general, and the cost of
basic food, water, and shelter is going up. Purified water is great in concept, but costs $$$.
Some of those guys are nut jobs, but for the most part the people talking about it aren't.
It's a problem that a small glitch like a year long drought in a crop region, major storm,
or early winter like what happened 200 years ago would cause havoc. Food shortages caused
the French revolution. Like it or not, either we either control population growth, or mother
nature will, and it won't be pretty.

tonyb

Population isn't the problem.....what, 6.5-7 billion people on the planet. Now compare that to the land mass of the planet and tell me what you come up with. Maybe certain concentrations of people in a geological area might be a problem, but not for the planet as a whole. Why do people concentrate in certain area's ? Economics.....jobs, housing, schooling, transportation, medical services, weather, and even dare I say, clean running water. Put those elements in any part of the country and you'll see a population increase. Heck, put those elements in any country and people will come. Not logical in my opinion to make people the boogey man in all this, when it's more so short sightedness and a lack of economic development.

goofyGAguy

tonyb wrote: »

Population isn't the problem.....what, 6.5-7 billion people on the planet. Now compare that to the land mass of the planet and tell me what you come up with.

Mother Gaia's entire population could fit inside Texas, creating a population density almost exactly matching that of New York City.

sucks2beme

tonyb wrote: »

Population isn't the problem.....what, 6.5-7 billion people on the planet.

Economic development? I'm not talking about jobs. Clean water, food, raw materials to support
Llfe. We have been burning through oil, water, topsoil, metals, etc. to support things as they have been.
How are we going to support more? A couple years of grainbelt drought like the dustbowl and things will get
ugly. And a water purification and transportation in the quantities required would be so pricey that food
costs would shoot out the roof. And only the people with money would be eating.
There have been a lot of studies done, and the end conclusion is we have too many people to support.
The only reason we haven't already been in trouble is due to modern farming methods, and you can't stretch that much further.

nooshinjohn

The answers to most every question of this type posed in the Clubhouse, from the high price of oil, food, water, electricity and even the thread about the horrific events in Colorado alll come down to one very simple answer, and very complex formula for figuring it all out. While it may not seem obvious to many here, the simple answer is manipulation for the purposes of controlling the masses, influencing large segments of the population to bring about the desired result. Looking at water, Tony correctly pointed out that populations naturally gravitated towards populating places where fresh water is in abundant supply. There is not a single one of us here that wouldn't help one another and if anything in this country should be a right given from God, it should be access to clean drinking water. Unfortunately, the government does not see it that way, and manipulated the water supply as they see fit, and a powerful tool it is for controlling populations. They have been using this tool for easily the past 50years.

Water rights play directly to the costs of just about everything we consume. have you seen 5.00/lb tomatoes recently? Thank the government for shutting down teh water supply to the San Joaquin Valley. How about the price of beef. Make feeding them too expensive and ranchers stop producing, sometimes killing off their herds because it is cheaper to do so. Score one for the vegitarians that believe we should all eat veggies. Jack the price of gas up to 5 bucks a gallon and youforce people to drive less or not at all....

Speaking of water rights, Las Vegas would be an absolute desert were it not for massive amounts of water diverted from the Colorado River, and was essentially empty in 1945. Any coincidence that along with the water came people? any coincidence that the government made that happen just down-wind from a massive nuclear test site? Any coincidence that certain types of cancers occur at higher rates in Vegas than in other parts of the country?

Our government has been using large segments of the population as lab rats for decades. The sad truth is every single action we take from the time we wipe the sleep from our eyes to the time we put our heads on the pillow at nite is subject to manipulation and control by the government. So much for liberty...

tonyb

sucks2beme wrote: »

Economic development? I'm not talking about jobs. Clean water, food, raw materials to support
Llfe. We have been burning through oil, water, topsoil, metals, etc. to support things as they have been.
How are we going to support more? A couple years of grainbelt drought like the dustbowl and things will get
ugly. And a water purification and transportation in the quantities required would be so pricey that food
costs would shoot out the roof. And only the people with money would be eating.
There have been a lot of studies done, and the end conclusion is we have too many people to support.
The only reason we haven't already been in trouble is due to modern farming methods, and you can't stretch that much further.

Studies done by who ??

If we had trouble supporting the population, now think about this for a second, why would we EXPORT food ? We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one but let me add that populations are driven in part by economics, government policy, and a will for a better life. Thats why you have certain area's with thousands of people per square mile and only 0ne person per sq. mile.

Government policy also plays a role not just here but in other countries too. Farmers are mandated on what to grow, what seeds they can buy, animals to raise, and so forth. This part alone dictates much of what happens in our food chain.

Too pricey for clean water ? Thats a stretch considering what we waste money on. Solar companies, garbage studies designed to just employ eggheads, welfare, etc, that list can go on forever. When we built our highway system, some thought that to be too expensive also, should we have not done that ? Or our current water supply systems, transportation systems, airports, gas and oil pipelines, big buck undertakings for sure but imagine a life without these things available in mass quantities. The whole point of bringing water to the midwest is to take drought conditions out of the equation in our food chain. Stabalize prices. Look at California as an example, Farmers were left with no water, lost millions....because of a fish ?

There are those who imply that the world needs to go back to an 1800's lifestyle which given todays population is simply impossible. So the answer is to kill off millions ? Who dies and who lives ? Which list will you be on ? Who has that power to decide ? Who wants that power ? Governments do. From the United Nations down to our very own seek to control, devide, seperate, and decide what becomes of you.....from cradle to grave. A manipulation if you will, for an outcome perceived by others, not you.

Humans in general are a smart species while at the same time, dumb as a box of rocks. I have no doubt we can overcome anything that stands in the way of advancing our society or people, if left to do so on our own.