SVS PB2 over PB1?

Duffman
Duffman Posts: 51
edited October 2003 in Subwoofer Hookup & Bass Management
I've come to the realization that my trusty PSW350 is now the weak link in my setup. I feel it will soon be Ebay'd....

My question is, how much "better" is the PB2 than the PB1? Obviously this is subjective and I can read the specs but I'm wondering if you SVS owners would likely recommend the PB2 over the PB1 just as a matter of fact....is the extra $300 worth it?
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2003
    from what people have said, definitely
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2003
    Well actually me and one other person i think is all that have the Pb1, so its not really fair to say... BUt its obvious the Pb2-isd or + is better then the Pb1.... 2 12" drivers compared to 1... even a crappy sub with 2 12's would be louder.... then 1 12" driver...
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited October 2003
    Faster.......

    "Even a crappy dual 12 sub would be louder!"

    I bet ya 10 bucks my Subwoofer plays softer than your sub! :p
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2003
    why not raise the stakes? you know that fasters is way better lol
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2003
    Well i meant current subs with 2 active subs... Not passive
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited October 2003
    I think that the size of the room will play a big part in which sub would be best. With a room too small I would think the pb2 would devestate you and everything in it. What size is your room?

    Dave
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2003
    Bingo dave...

    Duffman,
    Room size, openings and volume of the adjacent space(s) through the openings are all factors to consider. So do tell what you have.

    Do bear in mind though that you can tame a 2 if your room is currently on the small side, but you believe you'll have a bigger HT in the future.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
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    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited October 2003
    Don't overbuy the SVS.

    The PB1 has tons of power for rooms up to about 1500 ft3, or even bigger (2000-2500) if you are not into really high SPL.

    The PB2 is designed to put up really big numbers in larger rooms.

    But it won't sound any different in the 25 Hz tune than the PB1 - up to the clean limits of the PB1.
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2003
    Doc,
    So you can't tame a "2"?
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • Duffman
    Duffman Posts: 51
    edited October 2003
    Thanks for the advice guys. My room isn't that big - it's about 20x20 and opens into a kitchen area that's about 18x25.

    Based on what you're saying it sounds like the PB1 will be plenty.

    Cheers
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2003
    Not big, 20x20' is pretty big, My living room is 10x12' and i have a Pb1, I woulod think pb2-isd minimum
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited October 2003
    Dude, with that opening to the next room, you're talking huge volume. Maybe you forgot the height part of the equation...20 x 20 x 8(?) = 3200 ft3 and that doesn't even include the other room.
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited October 2003
    Yes, PB2 in that size room - all the way.

    Tour - will be calling you today from work - yes, have been hunting my **** off. And yes, the PB2+ works quite nicely in my 2,000 ft3 room. And can also hit 120+ dB if I want it to. But at more moderate HT level (110 dB), it is loafing and with very low THD - sounds spectacular.
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • Duffman
    Duffman Posts: 51
    edited October 2003
    Originally posted by fireshoes
    Dude, with that opening to the next room, you're talking huge volume. Maybe you forgot the height part of the equation...20 x 20 x 8(?) = 3200 ft3 and that doesn't even include the other room.
    Hadn't considered height at all. I have 9' ceilings. Oh darn, looks like I have to up the ante....
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2003
    Just look at it as cheaper than lowering the ceiling... :)
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • CT2
    CT2 Posts: 18
    edited October 2003
    Please forgive me if it's too dumb:
    Shouldn't it be better if sound is comming directly from speaker?
    Why have to fill the whole room/kitchen?
    Why you guys choose sub/speaker based on room size, not
    listen area?
    I'm research for SVS now and answers will make a hudge
    difference.

    Thanks,

    CT2:confused:
    Mains: RTi70
    Center: CSi40
    Surrounds: FXi50
    Rear Center: Not yet
    Sub: STF-2
    Receiver: HK AVR120/ Yamaha RX-V1400
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2003
    CT2,
    Sorry, not sure I understand your "direct sound" question. Will say that true bass is non-directional, i.e., it's source cannot be determined. This is generally true below 80 Hz. The higher the frequency the more directional sound becomes, and then, yes, a more direct path to the listener is key.

    In the old days of high frequency reproduction, "beaming" was common, i.e., a very narrow dispersion of the sound wave. Many an hour was spent by audio engineers designing tweeters that would beam less and less. Today's dome tweeters have been all but eliminated beaming.

    Bass will "escape" to any space available, in this case the kitchen. If you're into the full bass effect, up to and including "pants waffling" (or the creation of pressure waves you can feel as well as hear), adjacent space must be considered.

    Room volume is the key per the above, not area. 50% difference in a 16 x 20 room with 8' ceilings vs. one with a cathedral ceiling with an average height of 12'...

    Doc, here, or Tom and others at SVS can guide you in your choice of the proper SVS for your room...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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