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SDA1C
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Lenovo z580. Let the criticisms commence lol. Not really. Seems like a nice computer for the price.
System Components
Processor
2nd generation Intel Core i5-2450M Processor( 2.50GHz 1333MHz 3MB)
Operating system
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Graphics
Intel Integrated HD Graphics 4000
Memory
6.0GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333 MHz
Display
15.6" HD Glare with integrated camera 1366x768
Pointing device
Industry Standard Touchpad
Hard Drive
1TB 5400 rpm
Optical Drive
DVD Recordable (Dual Layer)
Battery
6 Cell Lithium-Ion
Network Card
Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN
Bluetooth
Bluetooth Version 4.0
Warranty
One Year
Form Factor
Notebook
I'll use it for internet classes and Skype with the fam when I'm on the road. Being the computer idiot of the century...did I blow it or what?
System Components
Processor
2nd generation Intel Core i5-2450M Processor( 2.50GHz 1333MHz 3MB)
Operating system
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Graphics
Intel Integrated HD Graphics 4000
Memory
6.0GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333 MHz
Display
15.6" HD Glare with integrated camera 1366x768
Pointing device
Industry Standard Touchpad
Hard Drive
1TB 5400 rpm
Optical Drive
DVD Recordable (Dual Layer)
Battery
6 Cell Lithium-Ion
Network Card
Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN
Bluetooth
Bluetooth Version 4.0
Warranty
One Year
Form Factor
Notebook
I'll use it for internet classes and Skype with the fam when I'm on the road. Being the computer idiot of the century...did I blow it or what?
Too much **** to list....
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Doesn't look that bad. But the big question is; how much did you pay for it?
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Nice Machine IMHO, use one in class, run Server 2008R2 with Server 2008R2 and Win 7 as VM. Works and amazed on what we can run on it.
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
CS400i Center
RT800i's Rears
Sub Paradigm Servo 15
Electronics
Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
Parasound Halo A23
Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
LOL thanks Disney I am anxious to see what it will do . I know it will suffice for the recent schooling (hence my absence) but I would like it to be a travel unit with structural CAD in the future. I understand I can install more ram? to 8 gig so It will be done if possible. And, 675 with a set of cheap monitors and a set of head phones with mic. Did I get robbed? (winces and waits for the fallout) New from Lenovo of course.Too much **** to list....
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Yea it's a bit wild to see 3 computers running in 1 laptop :cool: :eek:
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
CS400i Center
RT800i's Rears
Sub Paradigm Servo 15
Electronics
Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
Parasound Halo A23
Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
The only comment I can think of is regarding the hard drive. A 5400rpm drive as your main drive is going to be quite slow compared to a 7200rpm drive (or even an SSD). As such, I would recommend upgrading that to a 7200rpm drive, though I think they top out at 750GB, so you would lose a little bit of space. That said, I believe it would be well worth it. In addition, I'm sure you can get it for less money than Lenovo would have charged you for the upgrade, so I don't think you necessarily made a mistake with the purchase.
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Lower RPM drives are generally more reliable in laptops. More spin = more gyroscopic resistance = more wear on the bearings. That's why Panasonic gives you a choice of 5400 or 7200 RPM drives in their top-of-the-line Toughbooks, so you can decide if you would rather have the speed or more ruggedness.
Of course SSD mitigates that issue entirely, but then it becomes a cost/capacity tradeoff.
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Funny, I've never had a single problem in all the 7200rpm laptop drives that I've used (20+). However, I've had my share of issues with desktop/server drives of all RPM's (5400-15000). It's less about speed, and more about design and build quality. A properly designed 7200rpm drive will have taken into account the additional factors needed to handle the higher RPM with good reliability. I believe that you're making an inaccurate generalization with your claim; nearly the same level of inaccuracy as claiming that all Apple products are crap (and evil).Lower RPM drives are generally more reliable in laptops. More spin = more gyroscopic resistance = more wear on the bearings. That's why Panasonic gives you a choice of 5400 or 7200 RPM drives in their top-of-the-line Toughbooks, so you can decide if you would rather have the speed or more ruggedness.
Of course SSD mitigates that issue entirely, but then it becomes a cost/capacity tradeoff.
In addition, comparing any standard consumer or business laptop to a Toughbook is a fallacy. The types of situations the Toughbooks are designed for aren't exactly relevant to the types of usage that other laptops are made to be used in. -
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-spinpoint-500gb,2347.htmlHigh spindle speeds can be considered the trade-off against high capacities, as vibration, heat dissipation, reliability, durability, and power consumption (among other factors) become an issue with faster rotation.
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a) This is Tom's Hardware, not exactly what I'd consider an expert on hard drive design or reliability. Worse, he doesn't provide any references to back up his statements.
b) He also mentions design differences in the article that you conveniently left out of your quote. This is something that I mentioned as well in my previous post.
At any rate, the link you posted doesn't conflict with what I said above. -
I decided to check out reliability specifications for various manufacturers 5400 and 7200rpm laptop drives. With a single exception, they were exactly the same between the two speeds of drives. The one difference is the lowest capacity (160GB) 7200rpm Momentus drive. All of the Seagate 5400RPM drives and all of the other 7200RPM drives (250-750GB) were at 0.48% Annual Failure Rate, whereas that one drive was 0.50%. That's not even a statistically relevant difference.
Clearly the manufacturers have designed their higher RPM drives different from the 5400RPM ones to account for the greater strain that the higher RPM would normally cause.
If anyone else would like to take a look, I simply pulled up the PDF data sheets for the various drives from the different manufacturers. -
Believe what you want to believe, even if that means the manufacturer's MTBF ratings, which I would put right up there with manufacturer's watts-per-channel ratings. I don't have a dog in this fight. Just pointing out that bigger/faster isn't always better. Even if mechanical reliability isn't a concern (perhaps you plan to leave the laptop stationary while operating), there's still heat and battery life to think about. Point is you can't just automatically decide for someone that they need to upgrade their 5400 RPM drive because you don't think it's fast enough, and to hell with any other concerns. You'd be a terrible salesman.
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Oh and Tom's Hardware is only arguably the most respected computer hardware site on the 'net.
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a) You haven't provided a shred of evidence or proof to support your point of view on reliability, whereas I have.Believe what you want to believe, even if that means the manufacturer's MTBF ratings, which I would put right up there with manufacturer's watts-per-channel ratings. I don't have a dog in this fight. Just pointing out that bigger/faster isn't always better. Even if mechanical reliability isn't a concern (perhaps you plan to leave the laptop stationary while operating), there's still heat and battery life to think about. Point is you can't just automatically decide for someone that they need to upgrade their 5400 RPM drive because you don't think it's fast enough, and to hell with any other concerns. You'd be a terrible salesman.
b) Shock figures were also the same between the 5400 and 7200RPM drives, which is relevant in regards to moving the laptop during use.
b) You never mentioned the tradeoffs of heat and battery life in your prior posts, you only mentioned reliability. Those may be valid concerns depending upon the users requirements and preferences. However, they are not consistently higher either.
c) The OP seemed to be interested in feedback from other users, so I gave some. I never said the OP had to do anything, I simply suggested the upgrade. I explained the reasons why I believe it would be worth it, and it is their decision whether to take my suggestion or not.
You're right, it is arguable since not everyone would agree with your opinion. I also stated that he is not an expert on hard drive design and failed to provide references, both of which are true.Oh and Tom's Hardware is only arguably the most respected computer hardware site on the 'net. -
Google "PC hardware." Newegg, then Tom's. And Tom is not a single person, just like Monty Python isn't and Pink Floyd isn't. The people writing the articles are experts in the fields they write about. But sure, we should take your vast 20-drive experience and in-depth research into the manufacturer's claimed reliability ratings over what they have to say.
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Monster AVL-300, HTS-2500 MKII -
Calm down for crying out loud LOL. Bit of an update...they didn't have the z580 in black. I received a note asking if grey was ok. I said no so I picked the y570...
System Components
Processor
2nd generation Intel Core i7-2670QM Processor( 2.2GHz 1333MHz 6MB)
Operating system
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GT 555M 1GB
Memory
8.0GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1333 MHz
Display
15.6" HD Glare with integrated camera 1366x768
Pointing device
Industry Standard Touchpad
Hard Drive
750G 5400 + 64G SSD
Optical Drive
Blu-ray /DVD Combo
Battery
6 Cell Lithium-Ion
Network Card
Intel 1000 BGN Wireless
Bluetooth
Bluetooth Version 2.1 + EDR
Warranty
One Year
Form Factor
Notebook
Camera
Integrated 2.0MP Camera
HDMI
HDMI (Out)
A bit higher in price but who can live without a bluray player these days?Too much **** to list.... -
That 64gb SSD with the OS on it is going to make that thing smoke! The thing will boot up in seconds. Just be sure to store all your data on the 750gb drive. That 64gb drive can fill up fast. 8GB of RAM will keep it moving along quite nicely as well.No excuses!
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I'm aware that Tom's Hardware consists of multiple authors and editors. When I say "he" I'm referring to the author of the article; though in this case it is two authors, so I should have correctly used the term "them." That is certainly an error on my part. That said, I can't find a single thing on either of the authors of that article outside of Tom's Hardware, so I'm not so sure I would consider them experts. I can't find any real information on them from the Tom's Hardware site either. That said, if you have some additional information on those authors that supports your claim of expertise, I would be happy to read it.Google "PC hardware." Newegg, then Tom's. And Tom is not a single person, just like Monty Python isn't and Pink Floyd isn't. The people writing the articles are experts in the fields they write about. But sure, we should take your vast 20-drive experience and in-depth research into the manufacturer's claimed reliability ratings over what they have to say.
The truth is that you came here spouting your erroneous beliefs as if they were fact and were unable to actually back them up. I provided you real data showing that spindle speed does not, in fact, directly correlate to drive reliability. You also failed to address your other inaccuracies that I brought to your attention. This isn't the first time you were proven wrong on this board, and I'm sure it won't be the last. That said, you would have a lot more respect around here if you could at least admit to your errors, but we all know that you are unable to do so. In all the times you were proven wrong, I've never once seen you admit to your errors; that is just sad.
Agreed! SSD's are fantastic for OS drives, and difference will be very noticeable. I'm sure you will love the new laptop SDA1C!Strong Bad wrote: »That 64gb SSD with the OS on it is going to make that thing smoke! The thing will boot up in seconds. Just be sure to store all your data on the 750gb drive. That 64gb drive can fill up fast. 8GB of RAM will keep it moving along quite nicely as well. -
This isn't the first time you were proven wrong on this board, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
Hasn't happened yet. Nice try, though.
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Exactly the response I expected. Real men and women accept their faults and can admit when they are wrong. Maybe one day you will grow up and accept that you are not a perfect being.Hasn't happened yet. Nice try, though. -
Look. I provided an expert opinion to back my claim when it was questioned. You dismissed it on the grounds that you couldn't verify the expertise of the author. Whatever. But somehow, your far more limited experience and the so-called "proof" you were able to hunt down in the form of a single manufacturer's grossly exaggerated reliability claims makes you more of an expert? Please. And I'm somehow supposed to admit that I'm wrong? Must be nice, that world you're living in.
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As far as author expertise, the onus is on the presenter to show that. As for my claims, it wasn't just a single manufacturer, it was all of the current drive manufacturers (Seagate, Toshiba, Western Digital, Hitachi). How you would not consider a hard drive manufacturer an expert in the field of hard drives is beyond me; not to mention, they would also have the most accurate reliability statistics. I see that your current response is now "whatever," which is your usual response when you are wrong but are unable to admit so. I'm done here, as it is clear once again that you do not possess the ability to admit that you are anything but perfect.Look. I provided an expert opinion to back my claim when it was questioned. You dismissed it on the grounds that you couldn't verify the expertise of the author. Whatever. But somehow, your far more limited experience and the so-called "proof" you were able to hunt down in the form of a single manufacturer's grossly exaggerated reliability claims makes you more of an expert? Please. And I'm somehow supposed to admit that I'm wrong? Must be nice, that world you're living in.
