Dared 2000a

Oldfatdogs
Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
edited July 2012 in 2 Channel Audio
Just about to pick one up,any thoughts or suggestions before I do?New to tubes, I've been reading all the threads here I can find.Does anyone have a extra set of nos tubes they would like to sell?I am a bit leary of the bay until learn more about tube rolling.Any helpful links to learn about what replaces what in the tube world?Any input would help.Thanks Dan
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  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Seimens tubes.jpg
    I have a pair of hand matched SEIMENS ( VERY SIMILER TO TELEFUNKEN SOUND). HAVE less than a 100 HOURS ON THEM JUST BROKEN IN. GOT THEM FROM BRETT JESSEE ON THE NET. Perfect in all ways. Incredible sound. Pm me with ?
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    Thanks I will pm you tomorrow, stepen out for a bit.Thanks Dan
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited June 2012
    I can probably dig up something for you. I do have a Tungram (made in england) 5Z4G rectifier I can sell. It's a nice one and you need a nice rectifier, it make a very big difference. It's a spare or I'd keep it. Let me know. It's new, only used by me for about 5 hours to ensure it worked properly.

    PM me anytime you're ready.

    H(
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited June 2012
    Dan,
    Well I'll be a ......!! Steppin' up your game ?? Nice my friend, really nice. Your in for a treat for sure. Take H9's advice, he has extensive knowlege with these units and can be a good guide for tubes to use. Being new to tubes, your older ears will really dig this unit. Also, be carefull handling tubes as they can be like eggshells and wear gloves when handling. Looking forward to your thoughts.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    Thanks Tony,curiosity got the best of me I'm looking forward to this.You guys are a bad influence but my tunes just keep getting better as I go.Thanks for always helping out.Dan
  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,670
    edited June 2012
    I love my SL 2000A... Best audio purchase to date.

    I've put in some Mullard 12at7 tubes and a Brimar 5z4g rectifier and I love the sound. I might try some new Pre tubes though, I thing the bottom end is still a little sloppy for me.
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    I'm still waiting for Joe to get back to me,I sent some questions Sunday afternoon and have not heard back.I guess everyone needs time off .
    Max,I have done alot of searches this Dared seems to tickle most everyone's fancy.
    H9,I keep reading your holy grail thread by the time I get to page 8 I am back to being confused again.Sometimes the codes just get scrambled in my head.:confused:
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited June 2012
    Dan, just ask me any specifics about the tubes, codes, etc. Even I need to review the info once in awhile because my head spins as well. I have learned to identify many tubes by just looking and studying the internals and in some cases the actual bottle, etc.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    Thanks H9,I will get sooner or later. Thanks.Dan
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    I still haven't heard back from Joe,so I sent an email to this web address.
    http://www.dared.us/contact.htm
    Does this address go to Joe also?
    Again thank for your help.Dan
  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited June 2012
    Oldfatdogs wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for Joe to get back to me,I sent some questions Sunday afternoon and have not heard back.I guess everyone needs time off .
    Max,I have done alot of searches this Dared seems to tickle most everyone's fancy.
    H9,I keep reading your holy grail thread by the time I get to page 8 I am back to being confused again.Sometimes the codes just get scrambled in my head.:confused:

    I'm tracking the sl-2000 on ebay and audiogon...once I saw pics of Heiney's I-30....I started heading down the rabbit-hole(lol):wink:
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    Pietro,I was fine for a long time with my old funky system I came here and have been trying new thing ever sense.The rabbit hole gets deep quick.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited June 2012
    We like to encourage folks to try new things Dan, thats how you discover certain things about your own likes and dislikes with audio. How far down that rabbit hole you go depends entirely on you.....and your wallet, maybe your wife's wallet too.....kids college fund, retirement plan......:cheesygrin::cheesygrin::cheesygrin:

    Did ya grab yourself some good interconnects to hook up the Dared ? I'm laughing inside because I know once you hear tubes, your gonna become a tube addict and a whole nutha dimension in audio is going to open up for you.

    BTW- I hope you don't take as long as Brock, aka H9, to do a review. I'd like to hear your thoughts before my 60th birthday.:smile:
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Well said tonyb. LOL and crying too!
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    Tony,Im still waiting for Joe to get back to me on this one.Your the voice of reason in my head when I buy things now.Or are you the little devil on my shoulder going,DO it Dan Do it.:evil:I remember a while back you telling me you might try tubes.When I picked up the sda1cs I thought on the drive home,(this is going to cost me). What can I do to bring out the best in them.Tubes!!So here we go,I have the proper speakers the belles amp sounds good so now I need a two channel Pre.I do have to pick up some good interconnects too,I guess the audioquests are not going to do it.Every time I listen to the SDAs I get a big grin on my face as I melt into my chair.I'm having a blast,each new thing I try is an adventure down the rabbit hole.I suck at reviews but maby I will have the wife take a picture of my big cheesey grin with her new Ipad I used to butter her up with.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited June 2012
    Oldfatdogs wrote: »
    I will have the wife take a picture of my big cheesey grin with her new Ipad I used to butter her up with.

    See now, thats how we old farts do it.:cheesygrin:

    Doesn't have to be a magazine article Dan, just some first impressions, maybe whatever differences you notice in the sound....stuff like that. Let those tubes warm up a tad too before jammin' your tunes. Actually my friend, I am looking at the same pre and waiting for your observations. We both have ears in the same age catagory, older than dirt.:smile:
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    See now, thats how we old farts do it.
    Steve in az,taught us all to be good to the wife and ye shall will be rewarded.
  • dhart86
    dhart86 Posts: 1,594
    edited June 2012
    Any one interested in a Brand New in Box Dared sl200a. I have one for sale. I bought 2 of these from Joe for my buddy who didn't have a paypal account. He now only wants to keep one and wants me to return the other. Friends!!!!!

    Anyway I'd offer to sell to a Polkie looking for one for $25 cheaper and actual shipping. New in box, receipt and warranty provided
    Main Rig:
    Antipodes DX > Roon > PS Audio Directstream Jr.>deHavilland Ultraverve 3 >Belles Reference 150a >Harbeth C7 ES3


    Second Rig:
    Roon> PS Audio Directstream Jr Bridge II > EE Minimax pre (Tutay mods) >Belles 150A Ref >Monitor 5 (Westmassguy-modded)


  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited June 2012
    Be best to toss it in the FM chief.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,289
    edited June 2012
    tonyb wrote: »
    Be best to toss it in the FM chief.

    He did Tony
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited June 2012
    Just noticed that.....my bad. Carry on....
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited June 2012
    Update, I finely got with the seller.Ships tomorrow,I'm jazzed this is my first piece of New gear.

    dhart86,A day late but thanks for thinking of me.

    Tony B your up!:cheesygrin:
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited July 2012
    I have been listening to this pre now for a few hours,what a difference it makes.It's a Beautiful thing,I cant believe changing from a receiver to a pre makes this much difference.I started out with some music that I know very well,the voices are more forward and clear.The bass is much better,you can feel it thumping in your chest the overall tone is just better.To me the Dared pre and Belles amp blend so well,I cant get this stupid grin off my face.Thanks to all who have recommended this pre it's everything you said it was.A big thank you to H9 for sharing and recommending tubes for this pre it made things much easier for a tube newbie.I don't think I will be making any changes for a while,except rolling tubes.This is going to be a blast,even the wife likes the difference it doesn't get any better than that!
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited July 2012
    Welcome to the dared club.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited July 2012
    Thanks soundfreak you guys finely got me to drink the koolaid.
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited July 2012
    Ya but it tastes good.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited July 2012
    I also forgot to thank Brgman for sharing.
    I think the wife really likes this pre,she just ordered 15 new cds.:eek:
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited July 2012
    Great Dan.....your going to make me buy one too aren't cha ? Damn it....
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited July 2012
    Hay Tony, your ears will thank you.:biggrin: