Preamp...help me pick one

hochpt21
hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
edited May 2012 in Electronics
Ok...I am continuing my journey of slowly upgrading my 2-channel. I'm thinking the next step is a dedicated preamp to replace the HK3490.

I am not buying right now, but I am looking for suggestions/guidance so I can do my own research and be ready if a good deal comes along.

My budget will probably be $500-$750.

My room is approx 12' deep by 24' wide. I listen to a lot of stuff, but mostly jazz, blues, some classic rock and some acoustic stuff. Approx 30% vinyl, 50% squeezebox and 20% cd/music dvd's/cable box.

I love the detail on the LSi15's. I want to keep as much of that detail as possible, however I find a little listening fatigue after long listening sessions, so maybe something to warm it up slightly?

I'm good with new or used (would prefer to be somewhat newer used)

Here are a couple I have been looking at so far...
Parasound Classic 2100
Rotel RC-1550

I am open to any thoughts or suggestions. For example, maybe a jump to the $500 range won't make a significant difference from the HK in which case I can save more coin for a higher budget down the road.

Thanks all,
Paul
2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited May 2012
    I have a Parasound 2100 and think it does a great job for the $$
    Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC

    Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords

    I’M OFFENDED!!!!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited May 2012
    For $700-750 the Adcom GFP-750, no contest compared to what has been mentioned.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited May 2012
    I have seen a lot of good stuff about the gfp-750 on this forum. Does the age of the unit matter? I thought I remember tonyb saying something about 15 yrs before a unit typically needs some reconditioning.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited May 2012
    Also, should have mentioned this in the op.

    Not a dealbreaker, but I would really like to be able to change volume and inputs via remote.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited May 2012
    brgman wrote: »
    I have a Parasound 2100 and think it does a great job for the $$

    x2

    I absolutely love the sound from mine. You have plenty of inputs and all remote controlled.
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited May 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    x2

    I absolutely love the sound from mine. You have plenty of inputs and all remote controlled.

    brgman and Drenis...what amps do you have the parasound paired with?
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited May 2012
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited May 2012
    hochpt21 wrote: »
    Also, should have mentioned this in the op.

    Not a dealbreaker, but I would really like to be able to change volume and inputs via remote.

    The 750 does and it has an HT bypass as well as a balanced input and output.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited May 2012
    Anthem Pre 2L. Has remote for HT Bypass and volume.

    Cant remember what the remote does for GFP-750, another good option as stated above.

    With some nice but expensive 6922s I preferred the Anthem but that was about $400 in tubes bringing the Anthem to about $1000.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited May 2012
  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited May 2012
    Paul, are you looking for a pre with built in phono stage or are you going to use an external phono pre amp? IIRC you are currently using your HK3490 with built in phono stage.
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited May 2012
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Paul, are you looking for a pre with built in phono stage or are you going to use an external phono pre amp? IIRC you are currently using your HK3490 with built in phono stage.

    Good catch Rich.

    The Adcom GFP-750 doesn't do phono, you;d need a external phono pre-amp if you go that route.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited May 2012
    Not many tubes recommends......

    Tubes add soul.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited May 2012
    I have used it with a sunfire a carver and as a HT bypass unit with the oppo in my onkyo system with various amps
    Also a decent phono stage
    Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC

    Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords

    I’M OFFENDED!!!!
  • dcmartinpc
    dcmartinpc Posts: 844
    edited May 2012
    Third vote for GFP-750. I love mine and I would need to spend a LOT more $$$ to notice an appreciable improvement. Excellent Pre.

    Don
    Living Room: Adcom GFP-750 (Upgraded), Squeezebox Touch, Oppo BDP-83, Pioneer DV-79AVi, Parasound HCA-3500 (Upgraded), SDA SRS 2 P/B (Gimpod, Sonicaps, & Mills)

    Theater: Denon 4311ci, Oppo BDP-93, Parasound HCA-2205+HCA-2200II, Polk LSi9, LSiC, LSiFX, LSi7, Custom 18" TC Sounds sub with 2 18" PR, Sharp XV-Z12000, Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M (isf Enabled)

    Bedroom: HK AVR354, Pioneer DV-47a, Parasound HCA-1500a, Polk LSi9
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited May 2012
    Paul, are you looking for a pre with built in phono stage or are you going to use an external phono pre amp? IIRC you are currently using your HK3490 with built in phono stage.

    I'm ok with either. If I get a pre without a phono stage, I have a $60 external one that will 'get me by' until I could upgrade.
    Not many tubes recommends......

    Not sure I'm ready for that.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited May 2012
    Not sure if this is a relavent question and a little ambiguous I know, but the gfp-750's are a little older unit correct? Would I be good for awhile with that unit, or would I need to have it serviced in the next few years.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited May 2012
    Not sure I'm ready for that.

    Why it's in your price range?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited May 2012
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Not sure I'm ready for that.

    Why it's in your price range?

    The pre is but the subsequent tube rolling (which is absolutely necessary, IMO) probably isn't.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited May 2012
    hochpt21 wrote: »
    Not sure if this is a relavent question and a little ambiguous I know, but the gfp-750's are a little older unit correct? Would I be good for awhile with that unit, or would I need to have it serviced in the next few years.

    You should be fine.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited May 2012
    Why it's in your price range?

    Don't know if I would have the time right now. It is something I would like to do in the future, however.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited May 2012
    I'm looking at the Qinpu T-1.....about $435:wink:
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited May 2012
    pietro944 wrote: »
    I'm looking at the Qinpu T-1.....about $435:wink:

    There is one on eBay @ $340 plus $170 shipping..... I hate those shipping rate ripoffs :)
    Plus there is the 'unknown' customs rates ( ?)
    They do look like they take the 6N3 tubes and say it is based on the Marantz 7..
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180507857649&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#shId
  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited May 2012
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    There is one on eBay @ $340 plus $170 shipping..... I hate those shipping rate ripoffs :)
    Plus there is the 'unknown' customs rates ( ?)
    They do look like they take the 6N3 tubes and say it is based on the Marantz 7..
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180507857649&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#shId

    I saw that on ebay....I buy fron online mart.....the T-1 is $435 shipped and will arrive in 10 days.I bought my Yaqin CD3 Tube Buffer from them and also the Xiang Sheng Dac-02...both were free shipping and came well-packed in 10 days by air mail with tracking....peter

    p.s.I forgot to mention the T-1 comes with a cool padded suitcase for travelling.So,if you want to take it to a friends,it has it's own valise with aluminum latches on the front:cool:
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited May 2012
    That is cool... Can you link them? I want to check out what they have ;)
  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited May 2012
    pietro944 wrote: »
    I saw that on ebay....I buy fron online mart.....the T-1 is $435 shipped and will arrive in 10 days.I bought my Yaqin CD3 Tube Buffer from them and also the Xiang Sheng Dac-02...both were free shipping and came well-packed in 10 days by air mail with tracking....peter

    p.s.I forgot to mention the T-1 comes with a cool padded suitcase for travelling.So,if you want to take it to a friends,it has it's own valise with aluminum latches on the front:cool:

    Couldn't help but look at this T-1 unit on ebay. Not sure if you caught this but seeing as you live in the states, I'm unsure how much of an issue this might pan out for you.


    "Power Supply: 220V(?10%) 60Hz/50Hz
    There is not 110v version for this item."

    Otherwise it looks slick and makes nice power for a small integrated.
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited May 2012
    If the OP is looking for a budget tube preamp suggest looking at a Wright WLA12. Can be had for $400-$450 used.

    Wright sound is no longer in business as the owner has passed away.

    With the right tubes I found it to best my Adcom 750 and Anthem Pre2L, Ymmv.

    Again, $450 for Wright preamp and about $200 in tubes and upgraded volume control so add another $50 and dont forget a better power cable. In my experience a preaMP RESPONDS WELL TO pc UPGRADE.

    Like others have said above the 750 is a no brainer. Great sounding and packed with features.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited May 2012
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    That is cool... Can you link them? I want to check out what they have ;)

    sure.....http://www.hi-end.On9mart.com/cart/QP_T-1.html
  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited May 2012
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    That is cool... Can you link them? I want to check out what they have ;)

    sure.....http://www.hi-end.09mart.com/cart/QP_T-.html....ooops.....delete this one:redface:
  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited May 2012
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    That is cool... Can you link them? I want to check out what they have ;)

    sure.....http://www.hi-end.on9mart.com/cart/QP_T-1.html