Speaker stand suggestion

vstarkwell
vstarkwell Posts: 328
edited May 2012 in Vintage Speakers
I was wondering if there is a minimum to maximum height that my 7C's should be on a speaker stand. The reason i ask is that I'm working on a little project and was wondering if these would make good speaker stands. They're 16 inches from the base adjustable to 21 inches. They measure 10 inches wides.

It's been suggested that I get rubber pads for both top and bottom, and maybe some dynamat on the back and then a piece of butcher block on the top which should support and stabilize the mat and speaker.

So what do you think? I'm still in the process of cleaning these up and I think they will look really cool too when done.

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Monitor 7C's With Tubes
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2012
    What is your goal, maximum isolation for maximum fidelity or maximum aesthetics? Those won't provide the best isolation, but I have a feeling they will look cool. Too bad the uprights are sliders that are screwed on, rather than a solid piece.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • vstarkwell
    vstarkwell Posts: 328
    edited May 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    What is your goal, maximum isolation for maximum fidelity or maximum aesthetics? Those won't provide the best isolation, but I have a feeling they will look cool. Too bad the uprights are sliders that are screwed on, rather than a solid piece.

    H9

    I apologize but I don't know what you mean by isolation as for aesthetics that was the initial reason I grabbed them they just looked cool but if they are going to impede the sound which I'm assuming is related to the isolation question you posed? I'd rather sound then. Thanks for your input.

    I found these on the street left out for trash I believe they were old basement tub supports.
    Monitor 7C's With Tubes
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2012
    The idea is the stand needs to be completely isolated from the speaker cabinet. That's why stands are usually very heavy singular pieces filled with sand or shot. Dampens the vibrations and resonance from the speaker that is sitting on top of it. Those in their natural form won't provide you with maximum isolation between the speaker cabinet, stand and floor.

    I can't say for sure how much it will impact the sound, just something to keep in mind. They look really cool and I'm not sure how anal you want to be about perfect isolation.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • vstarkwell
    vstarkwell Posts: 328
    edited May 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    The idea is the stand needs to be completely isolated from the speaker cabinet. That's why stands are usually very heavy singular pieces filled with sand or shot. Dampens the vibrations and resonance from the speaker that is sitting on top of it. Those in their natural form won't provide you with maximum isolation between the speaker cabinet, stand and floor.

    I can't say for sure how much it will impact the sound, just something to keep in mind. They look really cool and I'm not sure how anal you want to be about perfect isolation.

    H9

    Thanks for clarification I appreciate it, what's your thoughts on if they are high enough? is 16 inches to 21 inches too high or does it really matter?
    Monitor 7C's With Tubes
  • fjross
    fjross Posts: 183
    edited May 2012
    Has anyone ever tried the Isonode isolators available thru Bright Star? These would go between the speaker and the butcher block tops. I been doing some research and have read quite a few favorable reviews from audio magazines. There made in two different sizes and available on Amazon. I am looking to use these to go under my CD player and amp. Is it safe to say that monitors are a different animal compared to the floor speakers that we all try to spike or bass brace to a wall to transfer the bass?
    Mcintosh MC-501 mono blocks
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    MIT 3.3 Shotgun biwire speaker interface
    MIT 3.3 Shotgun XLR interconnects
    Polk 2.3TL's Gimpod boards/F-1 modded crossovers/dynamat/JB weld/Larry's rings/Blackhole 5 strips
    Polk 3.1 TL's mint/stock (purchased new)
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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,102
    edited May 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    The idea is the stand needs to be completely isolated from the speaker cabinet. That's why stands are usually very heavy singular pieces filled with sand or shot. Dampens the vibrations and resonance from the speaker that is sitting on top of it. Those in their natural form won't provide you with maximum isolation between the speaker cabinet, stand and floor.

    I can't say for sure how much it will impact the sound, just something to keep in mind. They look really cool and I'm not sure how anal you want to be about perfect isolation.

    H9
    I'd have said the goal was exactly the opposite. Maximum coupling between speaker cabinet and floor; as if the speaker cabinet, stands, and floor were a single piece. Obviously that's not practical, but as close as you can reasonably get. Thus the reason for spiking speakers cabinets when they park on carpet--to couple them to the floor instead of isolating them from the floor with what amounts to a heavy fabric gasket. I do agree that adding sand or other damping material to knock down resonance would be a good idea if it were practical, which it doesn't seem to be in this case.



    I'd want the tweeters to be nearly ear-level when I'm seated in the listening position.
  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited May 2012
    Like Schurkey said, get the tweeters as close to ear level of your listening position as you can.

    I think those stands are gonna look pretty cool with your Monitor 7c's.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2012
    vstarkwell wrote: »
    Thanks for clarification I appreciate it, what's your thoughts on if they are high enough? is 16 inches to 21 inches too high or does it really matter?

    I can measure my 5B's but I'm pretty sure they are closer to the 16" rather than 21". Mine do sit a little lower than ear level, but I have never felt it to be an issue as imaging and soundstage is spectacular. Actually vocals are about 8-10" higher than the top pf the speakers so there isn't an imaging problem at all. My concern is if you get them too high up bass might suffer a bit. I'd say 16" or less stand would be good because of the bass issue and I've seen the 7's and 10's on slightly tilted back stands (if that's possible for your build).

    My 5B's are toed in and I sit almost equi-distant in the center.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • vstarkwell
    vstarkwell Posts: 328
    edited May 2012
    Thanks everyone for all the replies, I look forward to finishing these up an giving them a try. I'll be sure to update.
    Monitor 7C's With Tubes