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Blackswan
Blackswan Posts: 7
edited May 2012 in Speakers
Hello can anyone please help a newbie out I have a pair of Lsi25 running on a 2 channel system when setting speakers up should they be facing straight or on an angle pointing towards each other thanks in advance
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited May 2012
    Welcome to CP!:cheesygrin:

    Those are sweet speakers!

    I say you should experiment and see what sounds best to you. That said, I like LSi's with a pretty hard toe-in, so that they're either pointed directly at you when you're in the sweet spot, or they're even slightly overlapping.
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited May 2012
    I agree with playing around, It's a valuable experience. I would even try toeing them out, just so you can see the results. Some people swear by it (but is rarely a recommended practice) and it gives an interesting tonal quality. But just start at a reasonably obtuse angle and then work them slowly inward. Also, use a scrap piece of carpet or similar for the experimentation, as this will make it easier to spin them, and will not interfere with the parameter you will be listening for. Have fun!
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited May 2012
    The general rule is that it's a trade off. Giving your speakers more toe-in will provide better imaging at the sweet spot, but it will also give you a much smaller sweet spot than if they were facing forward.

    That said, there is no substitute for experimenting and seeing what you like best. What works for someone else's speakers and ears may not work for you and yours. The room alone has a tremendous amount to do with how your system sounds.

    Personally I have never liked any amount of toe-in with my speakers. Gives that feeling of having someone whisper directly into your ear due to the directional quality of tweeters. Not my thing, but I despise headphones as well. YMMV.

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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited May 2012
    Experiment like everyone recommended. Like Mr. Zimmerman said, "You shouldn't let other people get you kicks for you."
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
  • 11tsteve
    11tsteve Posts: 1,166
    edited May 2012
    i have been playing with this here in my rig and can't believe the differences a few degrees can make. its quite impressive. my set up runs off my computer, so the vast majority of listening is at my desk while "working"... i have found the proper toe-in to give me the effect of feeling like i am in the middle of the soundstage and the vocalist is "inside" my head and the soundstage now expands well outside of the speakers... almost like a very large spacious pair of headphones.... and of course i can always back my chair off a bit and enjoy more traditional listening... but really, the experimenting is the fun of it.
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  • Ducati Guy
    Ducati Guy Posts: 160
    edited May 2012
    So more Toe-in does seem to help solidify the imaging, but maybe it does decrease the width of the sweet spot.
    Correct me if I'm wrong , but I also think more toe in impairs the soundstage depth??
    Is this what others notice too?
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,008
    edited May 2012
    Excess toe in decreases the width of the sweet spot. Take note of the previous posters listening position. He's in a chair very close to the speakers, so more toe in is warranted given his listening position. Point is, to play around with it as everyones taste, room, listening position will vary some.
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