Sub Options??????

bobsauto49

Looking to fill the gap on 2ch listening/movies! The Q900's are great for music,but for movies i need a little help!
Looking to blend 2ch like steveinaz did also! $600 budget in a 15x25 room,and have to keep the sub at 14"x14x15" max size for the waf! Been looking at the vleodyne mineevee 8",or the optima 8",or the svs sb12-nsd!
Any pro's or cons to these 3? Also looked at Polk micropro2000,anybody put these up against others? As far as bang for buck/performance? Would like a nice tight/clean,respomsive bass! I hate boom,boom bass! Thanx for any/all info!

steveinaz

Well, those Q900's go to 32Hz, so you'll want a sub that can hit 20Hz flat to really be a worthwhile addition. I don't see an 8" sub pulling that off, realistically. The "sb" series SVS is sealed, which is preferred by many for 2 channel...

bobsauto49

Thanx for the reply Steve! Its your Thread that got me really thinking about a sub! I want it to blend during 2ch,and hit during movie watching! The sb series is really scratching my itch,by looking at it!

codyc1ark

I'd look at HSU, ED, Epik or Outlaw. Steve is right, don't look at any 8 or 10" subs. You want something that can go low and fill up your room, do it right and you won't have to do it again. Good luck!

Oh, and Epik may be the way to go if you want to stay sealed...

steveinaz

There's lots of great choices out there...let the research begin!

Boomy bass is largely a fault of placement or too much level knob. My SVS that is integrated with Harbeth's is a ported design, and it works great for my 2-channel. It's never over-whelming or boomy, but I have the level set very conservatively.

You could just set up the sub level for each type of listening, and keep track of where the level is set for each. This way you get good, clean extended bass for 2 channel music, and you can have your teeth-rattling bass for movies.

When it comes to performance-vs-price (especially low price) it's mighty hard to beat SVS' budget subs.

rooftop59

codyc1ark wrote: »

I'd look at HSU, ED, Epik or Outlaw. Steve is right, don't look at any 8 or 10" subs. You want something that can go low and fill up your room, do it right and you won't have to do it again. Good luck!

Oh, and Epik may be the way to go if you want to stay sealed...

While I mostly agree with everything said (and LOVE my HSU, though its a beast set up as an end table and unfortunately they don't make any sealed so size wise HSU isn't an option for you), I would disagree slightly with avoiding 10 inch subs. My second favorite sub was an ACI force (original), a bread-box sized 10 in sealed sub that hit 20 hz flat in my largish room. Now it would bottom out on those REALLY low, really loud moments in movies (like the 'Skadoosh' scene at the end of King fu panda, which according to this review the svs sb12-nsd will too - http://www.avforums.com/review/SVS-SB12-NSD-Subwoofer-Review.html) other than that it was awesome and incredibly textured and musical and easy to blend.

Bottom line, you are not going to get 18 hz at 110 db from a 14x14x15 sub, but I think that you can get a really solid 20 hz and very musical to boot.

Good luck!

ken brydson

SB12 NSD B stock for $599...http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specials

gwg_97

I hate to say this but I bought a SB 12 about a year ago and I ended up returning it. It was having issues with my Yamaha AVR (subwoofer amp issues). It also wasn't providing the punch I wanted. Went to a HSU VTF-3 and never looked back. It scares me at times and I love it! It is huge and I also use it for an end table but its a nice end table. My wife even approves,

bobsauto49

ken brydson wrote: »

SB12 NSD B stock for $599...http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specials

I looked at this,but when u click on it,it says its not available right now! As Steve suggested "let ythe research begin" I researched last nite from 7 to midnight! Still scratching my head! Thanx for the good input fellas!

leroyjr1

Not a lot out there for $600. For a couple hundred more you open up more options like
HSU FV15
Epik Empire
Polk micropro 4000

newrival

look at REL, also. Most musical sub system I've yet heard.

Epik Empire is quite nice for HT.

newrival

rooftop59 wrote: »

Bottom line, you are not going to get 18 hz at 110 db from a 14x14x15 sub

Def tech supercube has no problem doing just that when corner loaded. and its 14.25"^3 (cubed)

not the most musical thing in the world, but it does music pretty well and it puts out huge tactile bass.

right around $600, too

Matt34

This would be my choice in your price range. 20hz performance with servo technology.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV12.html

rooftop59

newrival wrote: »

Def tech supercube has no problem doing just that when corner loaded. and its 14.25"^3 (cubed)

Have you personally measured this? I ask because EVERY review that I have read of anything but the huge SC like the trinity show vastly overrated specs. They usually can't hit much below 30 hz in room. So if that's true I agree that could be a good option. but I have also read that the passives make for some kind of sloppy bass.

Now the rythmik looks VERY cool.

steveinaz

His mains already go to 32Hz, so he's going to need a very good quality sub to make this venture worthwhile, as he only needs 1 octave of coverage; unfortunately it's the toughest octave to get right.

newrival

rooftop59 wrote: »

Have you personally measured this? I ask because EVERY review that I have read of anything but the huge SC like the trinity show vastly overrated specs. They usually can't hit much below 30 hz in room. So if that's true I agree that could be a good option. but I have also read that the passives make for some kind of sloppy bass.

Now the rythmik looks VERY cool.

I was remiss in leaving out that my only experience with them is hearing one at a guys house who had it listed on craigslist. I made no measurement and could only comment on the subjective impression I got from that quck 10 minute listen. I was simply repeating theoretical extensions based on anechoic claims by the company and commercial "reviewers." which are likely editorials. I can say that during my listen, music was so-so, and I witnessed some ~20hz signal and it seemed ok. For a 9" woofer in >1CF sealed box i thought it did more than i was expecting. Although, I would say it didn't have as much output as similar sized bipole sunfires that i've heard. and to be honest, i dont care for those either. Full disclosure: After purchasing my REL Stadium III I have become spoiled in the bass response department and has skewed my current interpretations.

I have heard a rythmik sub, model unknown, and felt completely satisfied.

newrival

I recommend to anyone to check out RELs approach to sub-bass systems, of which the ARM-loaded variety are the best. Their approach is to crossover much lower than standard subs, between 20 and 30Hz. whereas a standard subwoofer likely has a lower xover limit of 40Hz, the REL has a Max of 40Hz. They not only fill in the last octave, they improve the presentation of the octaves above it. It really is something that should be witnessed.

bobsauto49

Got a reply from Doug at SVS,and after telling him my room size,equiptment,and needs,He says unless i listen at ear bleeding levels, I'm in good shape! The SB12-NSD will be suffice for my listening envirenment!
I'm giddy!!!!! Cant wait for the new expieirance! Giddy Up Cowboy!!!

newrival

Congrats! I know you'll love the new purchase!It will will really round off an already sweet system.

steveinaz

I think you'll be blown away---SVS' "entry" level stuff is anything but. They R&D their products thoroughly.

bobsauto49

Thanx fella's! Lookin forward to next week! My wife made me promise no more audio stuff this year! More Fullbody massages on order!

hochpt21

Just tell her that audio stuff is like an investment. Ya buy some, ya sell some. It all balances out.

gdpeck

rooftop59 wrote: »

While I mostly agree with everything said (and LOVE my HSU, though its a beast set up as an end table and unfortunately they don't make any sealed so size wise HSU isn't an option for you)...

HSU does make a sealed sub; the ULS-15. Realizing it's out of the OPs budget at $1099, and that he has already chosen a different sub, I still wanted to point that out.

danz1906

newrival wrote: »

I recommend to anyone to check out RELs approach to sub-bass systems, of which the ARM-loaded variety are the best. Their approach is to crossover much lower than standard subs, between 20 and 30Hz. whereas a standard subwoofer likely has a lower xover limit of 40Hz, the REL has a Max of 40Hz. They not only fill in the last octave, they improve the presentation of the octaves above it. It really is something that should be witnessed.

Agreed, The REl subs are impressive! Have you heard the New G1 sub.........Awesome!!!

danz1906

bobsauto49 wrote: »

Got a reply from Doug at SVS,and after telling him my room size,equiptment,and needs,He says unless i listen at ear bleeding levels, I'm in good shape! The SB12-NSD will be suffice for my listening envirenment!
I'm giddy!!!!! Cant wait for the new expieirance! Giddy Up Cowboy!!!

Welcome to the SVS club......Congrats!

newrival

danz1906 wrote: »

Agreed, The REl subs are impressive! Have you heard the New G1 sub.........Awesome!!!

Not yet, but I really want to. I just recently heard the Strata 5 in a stereo sub setup, and WOW!

rooftop59

gdpeck wrote: »

HSU does make a sealed sub; the ULS-15. Realizing it's out of the OPs budget at $1099, and that he has already chosen a different sub, I still wanted to point that out.

I stand corrected. However, it was also out of his size requirements which no one seemed to care about

pietro944

newrival wrote: »

Not yet, but I really want to. I just recently heard the Strata 5 in a stereo sub setup, and WOW!

I've got the T-1 in my 2ch set-up.....very impressive.....peter

steveinaz

bobsauto49 wrote: »

Thanx fella's! Lookin forward to next week! My wife made me promise no more audio stuff this year! More Fullbody massages on order!

Your massage technique obviously needs work, grasshopper. I'm spit-ballin' here, but I'm guessing you forgot the warm baby oil?

steveinaz

I considered the REL T-9.