Has anyone tried a teflon conductor digital cable such as the Cerious?

headrott

I am looking at buying an AES/EBU digital cable to use with my recently aquired Theta Jade transport and the DAC I built. I was looking on Audiogon last night and found the Cerious digital cable using liquid (man-made) ceramic conductors and pure silver ground wire. The balanced digital cable uses Xhadow XLR connections. I have read a couple reviews stating that this cable gives a clean, accurate detailed sound. The down side according to the reviewers is that the break in time takes a while and when you move the cable (i.e. disconnect, twist, or manipulate it) that the break in must take place again due to the "liquid ceramic". I am wondering if any fellow Polkies have tried one of their cables and can tell me (us) about your experience.

Greg

headrott

SORRY!!! It should say CERAMIC conductor in the title!!! That's what I get for trying to post with a low bloodsugar!

Greg

steveinaz

Do you mean ceramic insulator?

FWIW, Signal Cable makes an excellent AES/EBU digital cable.

headrott

According to the reviewer I read, the conductors are made from "liquid synthetic ceramic soaked microfibers" for the conductors and then a solid silver ground. Sounds interesting.

Greg

steveinaz

You got me buddy, never heard of that.

heiney9

So is the thought to reduce jitter? Why a silver ground? Seems like overkill to me for digital transfer. We're not talking about electron transfer here. Let us know how it works out compared to a regular, standard issue cable.

Of course with a new transport you have a whole new listening environment so a comparison to an prior set-up won't be apples to apples.

H9

tonyb

Sounds interesting but also sounds too delicate. I would imagine any kind of liquid anything is going to be suspect around heat.

Blackcat makes a good digital cable, but I haven't come across any yet that will kick to the curb my Audio Metallurgey GA-0 digital cable.

headrott

heiney9 wrote: »

So is the thought to reduce jitter? Why a silver ground? Seems like overkill to me for digital transfer. We're not talking about electron transfer here. Let us know how it works out compared to a regular, standard issue cable.

Of course with a new transport you have a whole new listening environment so a comparison to an prior set-up won't be apples to apples.

H9

From what I gather Brock, the pure silver ground lowers the resistance making for a better (quicker) digital transfer. Using liquid synthetic ceramic soaked microfiber conductors (hot and neutral) (according to Robert Grost, the engineer of the cable) makes for a number of improvements to transferring a digital signal including: Very highly reduced of RFI, EMF interference, as you asked there is reduced jitter due to the fact that the conductors with the ceramic soaked microfiber conductors, the ceramic turns to a liquid state when vibration is present and solid when no vibration is present. Jitter is greatly reduced as a result. Also, the ceramic allows for the cable to "act" as a large capacitor reducing noise and making for a very "black background".

I am going to compare the Cerious cable to my home made VHAudio Pulsar Ag wire with WBT 152Ag RCA plugs to hear the differences between the two using the Theta Jade. I'll let you guys know.

Greg

headrott

tonyb wrote: »

Sounds interesting but also sounds too delicate. I would imagine any kind of liquid anything is going to be suspect around heat.

Blackcat makes a good digital cable, but I haven't come across any yet that will kick to the curb my Audio Metallurgey GA-0 digital cable.

From what I understand Tony, the cable itself is not delicate from a build quality view, but is delicate (sensitive) to movement and the result of how well the digital signal is transferred. When you move the cable you will need to let it break in again (allowing the ceramic soaked microfibers to "settle" again) to get the best sound from it.

I've heard good things about the Blackcat and Audio Metallurgey, but have never used either one.

Greg

transmaster

headrott wrote: »

According to the reviewer I read, the conductors are made from "liquid synthetic ceramic soaked microfibers" for the conductors and then a solid silver ground. Sounds interesting.

Greg

In otherwords high end automotive sparkplug cable, they don't use silver but in every other way this is how they are constructed. much more robust and it Works great for automotive ignition systems.

I wonder why somebody hasn't come up with a superconducting interconnect yet, just imagine the ad' copy on an cable in a bath of liguid heluim 5 degrees above absolute zero. Kelvin Kable

heiney9

transmaster wrote: »

In otherwords high end automotive sparkplug cable, they don't use silver but in every other way this is how they are constructed. much more robust and it Works great for automotive ignition systems.

I wonder why somebody hasn't come up with a superconducting interconnect yet, just imagine the ad' copy on an cable in a bath of liguid heluim 5 degrees above absolute zero. Kelvin Kable

And my spark plugs receive digital ones and zeros? :twisted::razz:

H9

transmaster

heiney9 wrote: »

And my spark plugs receive digital ones and zeros? :twisted::razz:

H9

with modern computer controlled ignition systems almost :razz:

transmaster

I feel so left out, I can't find a docking cable for my iPod Touch 4G that has pure silver grounding and liquid synthetic ceramic soaked microfiber conductors. I found one for $295.00 with pure sliver conductors but without the liquid synthetic ceramic soaked microfiber conductors what's the point. :sad:

tonyb

headrott wrote: »

From what I understand Tony, the cable itself is not delicate from a build quality view, but is delicate (sensitive) to movement and the result of how well the digital signal is transferred. When you move the cable you will need to let it break in again (allowing the ceramic soaked microfibers to "settle" again) to get the best sound from it.

I've heard good things about the Blackcat and Audio Metallurgey, but have never used either one.

Greg

Cool man, be interested to hear your comments on it when it gets all broken in.

transmaster

I have read up on these cables and I am prepared to believe in the claims that are made for them. The fact they are hand made justifies the price. I have been told by golden eared audiophiles that because I am a musician of many decades experience I am a terrible person to listen to reproduced music. He told me musicians have a brain full of remembered sounds so our brains fill in what is missing in a recording. I think many of us who poke fun at these high end cables started this with the outrageous claims made by Monster Cable when they started out. So much of the terminology is I tend to look on cables such as these Cerious cables as a work of art, they really are beautiful.

I really did find a $295 dollar iPod docking cable with sliver conductors, for the length of the cable run you would need a very sensitive instrument to tell the difference between the sliver and a O2 free copper conductor.

tonyb

transmaster wrote: »

I really did find a $295 dollar iPod docking cable with sliver conductors, for the length of the cable run you would need a very sensitive instrument to tell the difference between the sliver and a O2 free copper conductor.

The thing with upgraded cables is, if your source or source material isn't that revealing, cables will make little sense. The differences can be hard or very easy to hear depending on the gear involved.

transmaster

I wonder if the conductive liquid ceramic used in these cables comes from the automotive industry. There is a conductive fluid that is used in so called magnetic struts. How it flows depends on amount of voltage flowing through it which adjusts the "virtual spring rate"(VSR). Such struts are only used in really high end cars. The strut is under computer control it senses the velocity of the wheel as it moves up and in micro-seconds adjusts VSR of that strut for what ever it has encountered on the road. I have heard this fluid called a magnetic ceramic fluid.

transmaster

OK now I understand Cerious cables uses a proprietary Ferrofluid. The ceramic part comes from the nanometer sized ceramic balls that are magnetic.

I can now see a headline. Police are baffled by a burglary. During the night somebody broke into Joe Blow's house who is a audiophile. Even though there where mono-tube amps costing 10's of 1000's of dollars, Speakers worth at least $60,000 a pair all that was taken was the speaker, and interconnect cables. Mr. Blow is in the hospital where he has been sedated. When police arrived at his house he was trying to commit suicide by jumping off of the top of one of his Magico Q5 speakers. He was in anguish over the loss of the cables but could not end his life because the fall from the Magico speaker was too short and the carpet was too thick.

headrott

tonyb wrote: »

The thing with upgraded cables is, if your source or source material isn't that revealing, cables will make little sense. The differences can be hard or very easy to hear depending on the gear involved.

Agreed on that one Tony.

Greg