Mass interference with the PC

SDA1C
SDA1C Posts: 2,072
edited March 2012 in Electronics
Anyone else have interference when they scroll their mouse? LOL I know it sounds funny but really. When I click or scroll I get little thumpy sounds from my sub and tweets (probably all drivers but most notably in the sub.)

It's definitely from the PC. Shut the PC down = no thump.

Is this a driver corruption or what? Any Ideas?

Thanks, Dan
Too much **** to list....
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited March 2012
    Probably the PC's power cable runs too close behind the sub.
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited March 2012
    That is bizarre. Does it do it with multiple mice or just one in particular? Have others you can try? Have you changed anything in the PC recently?

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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    The pc is 10 ft from the sub on the opposite side of the system. the only connection between the two it the PF60 that they both plug into. It still does it when I plug the pc in elsewhere. It does it with both mice. There also seems to be some sort of activity when a video is playing of animated advertisements. It is NOT the Monitor.
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited March 2012
    I think that narrows it to the vid card then. Perhaps try reverting to an older driver, or a different video card if you have a spare.

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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    Vid card...Thanks Syndil I'll look into it.
    Too much **** to list....
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    I had the same issue, while gaming it became worse. Turns out it was a bad ground in the case itself.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    oh really? i know nothing of computers. where would I start?
    Too much **** to list....
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2012
    Life in the Digital world.... I have interference when using my electric tooth brush.

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    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
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    Parasound Halo A23
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    SDA1C wrote: »
    oh really? i know nothing of computers. where would I start?
    You can do what I did, start replacing everything until the case is the only thing left. :cheesygrin:
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    I knew I was in the market for new one but I though I had a few months yet.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,776
    edited March 2012
    SDA1C wrote: »
    I knew I was in the market for new one but I though I had a few months yet.

    I'm not sure how you get a bad ground in a case, as long as it's steel. Each mounting screw on the motherboard grounds to the case, and you only need one. The power supply also grounds to the case, and then has ground connections to the motherboard, and every device in the computer. I could see the case having poor shielding, but that shouldn't change over time.
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    does that put us back to the vid card? it does seem to act up with animation.
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited March 2012
    Can you post all the components in your PC and advise how it's hooked up to whatever powers your sub.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    I'm not sure how you get a bad ground in a case, as long as it's steel. Each mounting screw on the motherboard grounds to the case, and you only need one. The power supply also grounds to the case, and then has ground connections to the motherboard, and every device in the computer. I could see the case having poor shielding, but that shouldn't change over time.
    My diagnosis was also confirmed by the case manufacturer, they believe there could have been a pinched wire in the case somewhere, but everything appeared fine to me. Installing the same components in a new case alleviated the issues.

    SDA1C, how is your PC connected to your rig? I had the issue when connected via HDMI, coax, and optical. Only asynchronous USB didn't carry the noise.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited March 2012
    I think the way to troubleshoot this would be to start with the easiest things to fix and work your way to the hardest. I still suspect the video card, so the easiest thing to do would be to revert to an older driver for the video card. You can do that by finding your video card in the Device Manager, right-clicking on it, and clicking on "Roll Back Driver." If that doesn't do it and you have a spare video card laying around, you can swap them. Or if you have on-board video that you can enable, you can do that and remove the video card. If that still doesn't do it, then chasing a grounding issue would be next. Could be as simple as a loose mounting screw on your motherboard, or could be a faulty voltage regulator IC on the motherboard or PSU. In other words, taking everything out and putting it back in the same case might fix it (as I suspect probably would have in Face's case), or you may need a new PSU or motherboard.

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2012
    I assume the quality and or price of case could be the problem.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    Can you post all the components in your PC and advise how it's hooked up to whatever powers your sub.


    LOL are you kidding me? Its an effin PC lol that's all I know. I am connected via 1/8th to rca. Rudimentary at best but check this out... I unplug the 1/8 from the headfon and it gets worse. I have found a bit of a solution but it doesn't completely get rid of it. I plugged the tv directly into the wall, put my pre and amp to the audio filter on the pf60. I put the sub and the oppo to the digital filter and the ps3 to the #2 digital filter. Now it doesn't seem to be as reactive to animation but it rumbles more when at idle. If I unplug the monitor(tv) and the pc it's sex again. Also I got a bad thump when I unplugged the printer from the pc but the rest didn't go away. I can hear (I think) every time the router goes to down load. Freakin weird man!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    No external DAC in your rig?

    I would not use an analog connection from your PC to your rig unless you have a very good sound card.
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    I can definitely hear it downloading. I dont have the option to roll back the driver so I opted to update. As soon as I did the rumbling went crazy.
    Too much **** to list....
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    Face wrote: »
    No external DAC in your rig?

    I would not use an analog connection from your PC to your rig unless you have a very good sound card.

    Too late...why is that? Because it could cause this issue? lol
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited March 2012
    SDA1C wrote: »
    I can definitely hear it downloading. I dont have the option to roll back the driver so I opted to update. As soon as I did the rumbling went crazy.

    Time to try a spare video card or on-board video. Is your PC a brand name model or a build-it-yourself?

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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    Its a compaq sr5254x. with vista.
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited March 2012
    Ok that model does have integrated graphics. Have you added a video card to it? What was the name of the Display Adapter in the Device Manager that you updated drivers for?

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    The sound card is probably integrated also, and wasn't designed for high end audio use in mind...probably just a small set of desktop powered speakers. A new video card won't fix the problem.
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    OMFG!:eek::redface::eek: I now feel obligated to have a gathering just so people can laugh at me. I do not want to admit what just happened. I guess I officially cant pick on H9 for his run with the Banana caps....
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    Who's laughing?
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    I am so glad I have not had time t listen at level....The bloody rca to the sub were connected to the out not in on the plate amp.:redface::redface::redface:
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    Face wrote: »
    Who's laughing?

    Nobody yet LOL but I sure deserve it! HAHA wow would you believe when its hooked up right it doesnt make any funy noises? LOL
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited March 2012
    Where is that Dumbass of the week thread lol?
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  • Syndil
    Syndil Posts: 1,582
    edited March 2012
    Never saw that coming. Glad you figured it out. Still having a hard time figuring out exactly how that configuration would produce the results you were getting.

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