Possibly the end of relying on oil?

evhudsons

There is hypocrisy on either side of any issue. Save the whales, but risk killing boat crew in the process. Eat Vegan to save the animals, but sit in a running car with ac while yakking on the cellphone waiting for your bean wrap to be ready after a long drive along a road that has been land filled displacing native otters. Anti-nukes who thumb their nose at clean nuclear energy but run their coal furnaces without abandon. Environmental group smoke breaks where they flick their butts into the bushes. I've seen it! It also cracks me up to see yippies flocking to crystal and clothes stores where each item has used who knows how much fuel to bring it to the shelves in the upscale strip malls surrounded by cars and highways.
And of course environmental spokespeople who have huge homes and energy bills and have gall to claim they invented things like the internet, or if the water engine car turns out to be awesome they will claim to have invented water too.

I'm an environmentalist like most folks. I want to lower my footprint, but I still drive a car and use products that use oil in production and distribution. I also enjoy my electricity which is derived ultimately on fossil fuels. Changing the system and the market will take time and many steps. I doubt there will be a single eureka moment in changing anything. For now we have oil. We will for a very long time.

I think we could put money to better use in safety of oil production and emissions control and standards for the world. America is pretty good about pollution control, but most of the rest of the world is just terrible.

nooshinjohn

^^^My favorite hypocrite is a BIG name actress that came to me for a cell phone install. Her 90k, top of the line Range Rover was swathed in the finest leathers, and mouton wool carpets and lambskin footwell mats. There were leather jackets inside, Nike shoes, and soccer balls for her kids to kick around...

On the rear liftgate were bumper stickers neatly placed that proudly proclaimed her membership in PETA, advocating a vegan diet, meat is murder, stop vivisection, meat kills the panet, stop animal testing... After I finished my work, she gave me a 20.00 tip and insisted I go get lunch on her. I thanked her and told her it had been a long time since i went to Claim Jumper's. The mortified look on her face was priceless!:cheesygrin:

She tried to convince me to get a salad, so I politely asked her that if it was ok to kill for the skins to fill her interior, wear on her back, and to have her kids kick around on a soccer field, how irresponsible and bad for the planet would it be if I let all that good meat go to waste.:cheesygrin:

ViperZ

evhudsons wrote: »

removing the hydrogen without using much energy has been a holy grail for the entire industry. How could he accidentally discover this when tons of people and money could not do this. Sometimes little things that are crucial are overlooked and discoveries happen, but I would like to see how this pans out. But if he is only using gas to start the car and then he really does have a way of producing hydrogen from water efficiently and is not a scammer or con, then I think this could be huge.

I'm not even reading the whole thread. Seriously, he is running RF generator to get his hydrogen. High-power electronics does not work on air.

mrbigbluelight

Speaking of PETA ( OH OH ! :eek: ), kind of seems like they've been a little busy for quite a while euthanizing animals at rates far greater than your usual Humane Society center. Maybe even conducting raids on No-Kill shelters ?

http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm

Lots of info on the net. Worth a look-see, IMO.

tonyb

evhudsons wrote: »

There is hypocrisy on either side of any issue. Save the whales, but risk killing boat crew in the process. Eat Vegan to save the animals, but sit in a running car with ac while yakking on the cellphone waiting for your bean wrap to be ready after a long drive along a road that has been land filled displacing native otters. Anti-nukes who thumb their nose at clean nuclear energy but run their coal furnaces without abandon. Environmental group smoke breaks where they flick their butts into the bushes. I've seen it! It also cracks me up to see yippies flocking to crystal and clothes stores where each item has used who knows how much fuel to bring it to the shelves in the upscale strip malls surrounded by cars and highways.
And of course environmental spokespeople who have huge homes and energy bills and have gall to claim they invented things like the internet, or if the water engine car turns out to be awesome they will claim to have invented water too.

I'm an environmentalist like most folks. I want to lower my footprint, but I still drive a car and use products that use oil in production and distribution. I also enjoy my electricity which is derived ultimately on fossil fuels. Changing the system and the market will take time and many steps. I doubt there will be a single eureka moment in changing anything. For now we have oil. We will for a very long time.

I think we could put money to better use in safety of oil production and emissions control and standards for the world. America is pretty good about pollution control, but most of the rest of the world is just terrible.

Good post, and probably the way most feel. There's a difference between being a good steward of the planet/animals, and going to extremes on both sides.

cnh

nooshinjohn wrote: »

^^^My favorite hypocrite is a BIG name actress that came to me for a cell phone install. Her 90k, top of the line Range Rover was swathed in the finest leathers, and mouton wool carpets and lambskin footwell mats. There were leather jackets inside, Nike shoes, and soccer balls for her kids to kick around...

On the rear liftgate were bumper stickers neatly placed that proudly proclaimed her membership in PETA, advocating a vegan diet, meat is murder, stop vivisection, meat kills the panet, stop animal testing... After I finished my work, she gave me a 20.00 tip and insisted I go get lunch on her. I thanked her and told her it had been a long time since i went to Claim Jumper's. The mortified look on her face was priceless!:cheesygrin:

She tried to convince me to get a salad, so I politely asked her that if it was ok to kill for the skins to fill her interior, wear on her back, and to have her kids kick around on a soccer field, how irresponsible and bad for the planet would it be if I let all that good meat go to waste.:cheesygrin:

Doesn't sound like a "winning" sales strategy to me. Isn't the customer "always" right? lol

If you're human then chances are that you're a hypocrite somewhere, some time! If you don't think so, just ASK your kids--if you have them. BTW, John, do "you" have kids?

cnh

nooshinjohn

cnh wrote: »

Doesn't sound like a "winning" sales strategy to me. Isn't the customer "always" right? lol

If you're human then chances are that you're a hypocrite somewhere, some time! If you don't think so, just ASK your kids--if you have them. BTW, John, do "you" have kids?

cnh

She was cool with the humor. So much so that she came back a month or so later and had me take the phone out of that Range Rover. I put it in a Honda Accord with cloth interior. She sold the Ranger Rover and thanked me!

The next twenty she gave me bought steaks for the BBQ. She just rolled her eyes a bit, laughed, gave me a hug and left. She sent Christmas cards to me for years after, but when they closed down my shop in 2000, I stopped hearing from her.

No kids yet but half the fun is making them!:cheesygrin: Working on that now. As far as the hypocrite stuff, I agree with you. That is why I periodically question everything I believe in. If new information comes to light, I challenge it before accepting it as fact. I am always looking for ways to better myself and hone my beliefs and the expression of them to avoid it. It is VERY hard to do.