Sda srs 2.3 setup

Phasewolf
Phasewolf Posts: 514
edited January 2012 in Vintage Speakers
Looking for some help with this one. My room is 11x20 and it is NOT possible too put them on the 20' part of the wall. So sound wise sense as of now I have no other room too place them in. Now which will sound better being too close too the side walls or farther from the the side walls I think the best I can do per side is 24 inches but that places them mind of close too each other. So close together and away from side walls or close too side walls and away from each other.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,177
    edited January 2012
    Having that large a speaker on such a short wall isn't going to work out too well as far as getting the best performance. I'd say experiment because there is a fine line for both scenario's before they just don;t sound too good.

    With my 1C's I use a total of 13.5' of the wall they sit on. 6.5' center to center and 3.5' on each side and I sit about 7' feet away. That is about the minimum to still get the best sound. As you can see your entire wall is shorter than my minimum scenario.

    Probably not what you wanted to hear

    Good luck

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  • Phasewolf
    Phasewolf Posts: 514
    edited January 2012
    I know I have no good way too make things sound there best that is just part of life. I was just trying too find out what makes them sound the best over all getting them away from the walls or each other. No matter what it will not be a good thing.

    OK then let me ask this. What does it do too the sound field as they get pushed away from each other in a good room and what happens then they are placed too close too a side wall.
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  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited January 2012
    I'm afraid heiney is right. SDAs have to be a minimum of 3 ft off each wall, as measured to the outside of the speaker. That leaves you a grand total of 6 ft, or about 4 ft. between them. Right now, I have about 5.5 ft between mine, and I can switch to the longer wall, it'll just be a huge pain to do it. But I have a feeling this may be the weekend I end up doing exactly that.

    But strangely, even on my short wall, I have mine set up almost exactly like heiney. That's on a 15 ft. wall.
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  • Phasewolf
    Phasewolf Posts: 514
    edited January 2012
    Well there is not a thing I can do I guess then. I will for now learn too live with it and maybe someday I can get the money too finish my basement and send them down there. I have a T.V. on that wall too so I am left with both speakers 24 inches off the side walls. Wile this may not be correct or sound as it really should I do love them and they are still really good sounding just not perfect. I will build my crossovers this weekend and the rest of my parts will be here Monday and I will assemble them at work and install them when I get home.

    My room sucks beyond what I can describe sense it is open too the kitchen also 11x20 and then that is connected too the rest of the house so making bass in that type of setup is really hard. I have moved them off the wall more they are now 6 inches off the back wall and I really like how they sound and I am going to order wire to make cables soon when I have money.
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  • motorstereo
    motorstereo Posts: 2,134
    edited January 2012
    Just because you don't have them set up optimally doesn't mean you can't enjoy them. I had my 2.3s set up in the most bastardized setting imaginable. And I loved em! Enjoy those 2.3's in their present setting and you can look forward to the day you can put them on the long wall.
  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited January 2012
    Just because you don't have them set up optimally doesn't mean you can't enjoy them. I had my 2.3s set up in the most bastardized setting imaginable. And I loved em! Enjoy those 2.3's in their present setting and you can look forward to the day you can put them on the long wall.

    +1

    I STILL have my SDA-2B's set up in a horrible room, on the worst wall, and get tons of enjoyment out of them. Once in awhile (when the wife is gone for a long period of time) I rearrange the apartment and set them up as best as possible just to hear em' fly. There is nothing like having space around these speakers, but IMO they'll sound great anywhere.
  • geoff727
    geoff727 Posts: 546
    edited January 2012
    Phasewolf wrote: »
    Well there is not a thing I can do I guess then.

    Nah, don't look at it that way. True, what you've got is pretty narrow. Now, there's a ratio which is quite often successful in many audio setup's.....approximately 80%. That means, if the inner driver arrays of your speakers are a mere 4 feet apart, then you listening distance is a close 5 feet away from the speakers. Granted, this sounds a little extreme, but it's a starting point. This is definitely near-field listening here because of the room constraints.

    Here are some definites you could probably apply to your setup: First, if there's a big flat TV in between the speakers, you will most likely never attain the best imaging. If you can continue to move the speakers out into the room more, the imaging may continue to improve. And, you may perceive changes in the bass response until there's a point where the bass will sound the most natural. Also, if you can kill the first sidewall reflection, then you may be able to spread the speakers a little more and obtain a more realistic listening distance which has good imaging. At the frequencies these mid-bass drivers are operating at, a set of thick curtains or rugs hanging off the walls probably will not cut it. This might require the use of traps. I think the first thing I'd try is set up an optimum (or nearly so) ratio where the distance between the speakers -most likely the inner driver line in this case- is 80% of the listening distance, absolutely kill the first sidewall reflection, and then go from there. Ideal? Hardly. But most of us don't have ideal setups. Better? Could be.

    Just a thought.

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  • Phasewolf
    Phasewolf Posts: 514
    edited January 2012
    Well I have not giving up just trying too find how too make them work best for me. I am going to hang a large rug on the back wall and well behind it will a large trap. The wife told me that I can build bass traps for the corners if I can make them look nice and I found some that you can use as a shelf and I will place those in at least 3 corners maybe all 4 my room is really odd well see.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2012
    Room placement can be very frustrating. My room is good in many ways but has a couple of "incurable defects" that I have to live with. The main defect is that I can not place the speaks close enough to the back wall - plenty of lateral space though.
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  • Phasewolf
    Phasewolf Posts: 514
    edited January 2012
    Yes room placement is a pain that never goes away but I will just have too deal with such until I find a better way like a basement remodel :eek:
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  • audio_alan
    audio_alan Posts: 770
    edited January 2012
    As others have said, don't get too discouraged. Rooms are rarely designed with proper speaker placement in mind, let alone properly accomodating a 5.1 or 7.1 setup correctly. Do the best you can, throw on your favorite tunes, and enjoy!

    Room treatments can also go a long way toward correcting improper placement. Eliminating reflections can help a speaker that is "too close to the wall" seem like it's not too close to the wall...
  • Phasewolf
    Phasewolf Posts: 514
    edited January 2012
    Room treatments are where I am going too do next. I just got the new crossovers built and they are now installed and it really helped them sound sweet.
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