MIT Exp1 v. Signal Cable Analog 2

EndersShadow
EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
edited January 2012 in 2 Channel Audio
Like the title says, is one an upgrade over the other, or is it more of a lateral move?

I am currently running NON MIT speaker wires so I dont know if thats a deal breaker as I know they recommend you use the corresponding speaker wire with the interconnects.

Thoughts & comments greatly appreciated.
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    Lasareath wrote: »
    the MITs might be a little more of an upgrade. I'd look for some Shotguns

    I know this will be subjective, but you think that upgrade is worth the 80 bucks needed to get 2 sets (front 3), or would I be better suited to just wait?

    Shotguns are not really in my future anytime soon given their price.

    P.S. this is for my HT setup so I was thinking doing ONLY my front 3.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2012
    If were going to go with MIT I'd atleast start with the AVt line. I'm sure there will be some differences between the EXp and Signal's but I doubt the difference is worth the $$$ unless you are buying EXp's used for about the same as Signal's. I assume you already have the Signal's in your rig or are you looking to buy either/or. If the cost is about the same go MIT EXp otherwise if there is a larger price discrepancy either hold out for AVt's or go with the Signals.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    If were going to go with MIT I'd atleast start with the AVt line. I'm sure there will be some differences between the EXp and Signal's but I doubt the difference is worth the $$$ unless you are buying EXp's used for about the same as Signal's. I assume you already have the Signal's in your rig or are you looking to buy either/or. If the cost is about the same go MIT EXp otherwise if there is a larger price discrepancy either hold out for AVt's or go with the Signals.

    H9

    I own the Signal Cable Analog 2's right now and am running them. I would be buying the EXp1's from the MIT sale going on, so its like 80 bucks, which doesnt sound like a lot, but its halfway toward a set of headphones I really want. So if its not going to be much of an upgrade, I would rather save up for the headphones.

    MIT's will eventually be added to my HT rig, but I want to try and do it right by doing it once, or at least in increments that are noticeable.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2012
    At $80 I'd go for it. I briefly checked the website and saw a retail of like $229 / 8ft pair. But at $80, go for it and keep whichever you like best. You can flip those no problem for that little investment.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    At $80 I'd go for it. I briefly checked the website and saw a retail of like $229 / 8ft pair. But at $80, go for it and keep whichever you like best. You can flip those no problem for that little investment.

    H9

    Yeah, they are on sale at the MIT Express store: http://www.mitcablesexpress.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=272&category_id=107&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14

    Otherwise I wouldnt even be looking at 229 a pair (since I paid ~120 for all 5 of my Signal Cables: :smile:)
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited January 2012
    I'm waiting for 2 pairs of the EXP 1's to be shipped. ;)

    It's a foot in the door with MIT products. One piece at a time.
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    I'm waiting for 2 pairs of the EXP 1's to be shipped. ;)

    It's a foot in the door with MIT products. One piece at a time.

    True, but if its not a big upgrade from what I have I would rather the 80 go elsewhere. Especially since my turn on the MIT cable demo is getting closer and closer. Those cables are a MASSIVE upgrade from what I have now lol....

    If I switch I want it to be an upgrade rather than lateral move. Still not sure though, we will see. I dont have many extra IC's yet, and you always need a spare pair or two.....
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2012
    Again for $80, it's worth it to see if you like the MIT's better. There will be a difference, but for me I always look at cost. If you have to spend $300 to get a little better vs. $80 to get a little better, obviously the $80 is a lot more appealing and worth making the comparison. All cables are going to sound different so I'd still give it a shot because you can make your $80 back on either pair you decide you like the least.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Lietuvis91
    Lietuvis91 Posts: 908
    edited January 2012
    I have the MIT exp1 speaker wires in my HT system. I like them, they sound a little but cleaner/more detailed then the audioguest type 4s that I had initially. Not a night and day difference, but enough to notice, for what that's worth.
    Living Room 7.1 HT Rig:

    M70 | CS2 | M60 | Atrium5 - Surr. | SUB - Emotiva ULTRA12 + Tara Labs sub cable | Pioneer Elite VSX-52 | Parasound HCAs 1000A | Sony BDP-S790 | Belkin PureAV PF60 | MIT Exp2 Wires

    Bedroom 5.0 HT Rig (Music/Movies/Gaming) :

    LSi9 | LsiC | Lsi/fx | Marantz SR7002 | NAD T955 | Sony BDP-S360 | Belkin PureAV PF30 | AQ Blue Racer II ICs & AQ Type 4 wires | PS3
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    Lietuvis91 wrote: »
    I have the MIT exp1 speaker wires in my HT system. I like them, they sound a little but cleaner/more detailed then the audioguest type 4s that I had initially. Not a night and day difference, but enough to notice, for what that's worth.

    Gotcha, I had heard that from another member with the EXp2's, how about their interconnects? You using any of those?
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited January 2012
    Exactly. I only need 1 pair but grabbed 2 just cause of the price. I figure they will get used when I pick up a Squeezebox or new source.
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    Exactly. I only need 1 pair but grabbed 2 just cause of the price. I figure they will get used when I pick up a Squeezebox or new source.

    Yeah, and at min I need 2 pairs if I do my front 3.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • punk-roc
    punk-roc Posts: 1,150
    edited January 2012
    I would agree with Lietuvis91 on his comparison. I had the AQ type 4's as well and swapped my two front mains of my HT rig with Exp1's and I like the sound better overall.

    I would agree with H9 that for $80 it is worth a shot to see if you like them better than the signals. I've never had a problem re-selling cables

    Jason
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  • Lietuvis91
    Lietuvis91 Posts: 908
    edited January 2012
    Gotcha, I had heard that from another member with the EXp2's, how about their interconnects? You using any of those?

    No, my ICS are AQs blue racers. That reminds me... my sig is all wrong, I seem to be rearranging my system weekly, lol!
    Living Room 7.1 HT Rig:

    M70 | CS2 | M60 | Atrium5 - Surr. | SUB - Emotiva ULTRA12 + Tara Labs sub cable | Pioneer Elite VSX-52 | Parasound HCAs 1000A | Sony BDP-S790 | Belkin PureAV PF60 | MIT Exp2 Wires

    Bedroom 5.0 HT Rig (Music/Movies/Gaming) :

    LSi9 | LsiC | Lsi/fx | Marantz SR7002 | NAD T955 | Sony BDP-S360 | Belkin PureAV PF30 | AQ Blue Racer II ICs & AQ Type 4 wires | PS3
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    Do they also have the "death grip" that the Signals do lol?
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • MrGlobe
    MrGlobe Posts: 401
    edited January 2012
    So $1500 is the cheapest you can get a set of MIT speaker cables for now? I thought they had a few lower lines that were less expensive
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    MrGlobe wrote: »
    So $1500 is the cheapest you can get a set of MIT speaker cables for now? I thought they had a few lower lines that were less expensive

    Which cables are you looking at?
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • MrGlobe
    MrGlobe Posts: 401
    edited January 2012
    Maybe there is a different MIT site besides the MIT Express site, however, the cheapest speaker cables I saw on the Express site were the $1500 Shotgun S3.3
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    MrGlobe wrote: »
    Maybe there is a different MIT site besides the MIT Express site, however, the cheapest speaker cables I saw on the Express site were the $1500 Shotgun S3.3

    The express site has more of the b-stock stuff. You can buy the lower series speaker cables from the MIT site for MUCH less :). Also Joe Abrams on audiogon is a licensed reseller of MIT stuff and he can make you some decent deals from what I have heard.....
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • IRLRaceFan
    IRLRaceFan Posts: 172
    edited January 2012
    Do they also have the "death grip" that the Signals do lol?

    You must not have the optional Bullet plug ends. Those are awesome for swapping in and out - no death grip at all.
    I don't know if they sound any different than the standard ends, since all of mine have bullets. For me the $40 extra is worth it for how much I change stuff around.

    I have some low end MIT's (AVt3) which I think sound the same as the Analog 2's - never did a true scientific test though.
    Both IMO, sound better than Monoprice.

    This is a little off topic, since you're talking an $80 price range, but I did get a set of the Silver Resolution cables (silver ends) and they are noticeably different than the Analog 2; I like them enough that I ordered another set last night.

    I decided to wait on MIT cables until I try some other things in my set up (DAC, different speakers, better speaker wire, redo Parasound amp, roll tubes in pre).
    I'll do like H9 suggested and start with at least AVt1. Until then, I'm sticking with Signal Cable.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    IRLRaceFan wrote: »
    You must not have the optional Bullet plug ends. Those are awesome for swapping in and out - no death grip at all.
    I don't know if they sound any different than the standard ends, since all of mine have bullets. For me the $40 extra is worth it for how much I change stuff around.

    I have some low end MIT's (AVt3) which I think sound the same as the Analog 2's - never did a true scientific test though.
    Both IMO, sound better than Monoprice.

    This is a little off topic, since you're talking an $80 price range, but I did get a set of the Silver Resolution cables (silver ends) and they are noticeably different than the Analog 2; I like them enough that I ordered another set last night.

    I decided to wait on MIT cables until I try some other things in my set up (DAC, different speakers, better speaker wire, redo Parasound amp, roll tubes in pre).
    I'll do like H9 suggested and start with at least AVt1. Until then, I'm sticking with Signal Cable.

    Yeah I didn't get the bullet plugs and they would have been a bit expensive to add to all 5 cables.

    I am not wanting to touch my speaker cables yet as I just acquired (waiting for them to be shipped) a set of Audioquest CV-4 38v dbs cables for my LSi's 15's. I want to give those a try to see if the dbs does anything.

    The MIT's I could use for between the Squeezebox and my Integra until I figured out if I want to use the DAC in it or the Integra. If not there, I could use them when I get into separates upstairs, or my USB DAC...

    I am torn as these are a good deal and I would hate to later need them and have to pay the full retail.....
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2012
    Said screw it and purchased 2 sets of them for ~100 shipped to my work. If I dont like em I will at least have them to play with.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited January 2012
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,966
    edited January 2012
    If I dont like em I will at least have them to play with.

    Know what ya mean....had a few girlfriends way back when I felt the same way about.:wink:
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