Citizen Kane

tonyb
tonyb Posts: 32,990
edited January 2012 in Music & Movies
Pulled this out tonight to watch since it's been awhile. Only thing different this time is I watched the second disk which gives a more detailed look into Hearst and Orson Wells. Very interesting stuff. The wife and I looked at each other while watching certain parts because the similarities to todays press is staggering. If any of you haven't spun that second disk, do so. In reality, Rosebud was what ? C'mon, tax that brain gents.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited December 2011
    It was his sleigh.

    And yes, it's amazing how his form of journalism has lasted 100+ years.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited December 2011
    A "Spoiler Alert" would have been nice. What's next? You're going to tell me that Luke was in some way related to Vader?

    :wink:
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited December 2011
    Great Movie, One of the best and darkest movies I have ever seen.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,990
    edited December 2011
    obieone wrote: »
    It was his sleigh.
    .

    Nope.....try again.
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  • 62caddy
    62caddy Posts: 137
    edited December 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    Nope.....try again.

    Spoiler or not I'm dying to hear this...
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited December 2011
    I'm guessing he meant "sled".
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited December 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    In reality, Rosebud was what ? C'mon, tax that brain gents.

    Literally, it was his sled, the last toy he played with before being separated from his mother. Figuratively, it symbolized his mother's love.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,990
    edited December 2011
    Guys, I know you think it's the sled because they showed the sled with Rosebud on it getting tossed into the fire, but in reality, Rosebud was his pet name for......?


    Answer.....according the the documentary on the second disk anyway, it was his pet name for his girlfriends private parts.
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  • evhudsons
    evhudsons Posts: 1,175
    edited December 2011
    I never saw movies as art until I had to watch this movie for a college class. From then on I became a movie fan. Until then I thought I had "outgrown" movies because I only saw the ones in movie theaters growing up then felt that they were just made for the masses and not for the person I had become.

    Until Citizen Kane that is. I think it ranks as the best or top 5 for sure movies of all time. After that movie I started my incremental path of home theater.

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,990
    edited December 2011
    Big Dawg wrote: »
    Literally, it was his sled, the last toy he played with before being separated from his mother. Figuratively, it symbolized his mother's love.

    Correct....but on the documentary, they tell you differently. That second disk was more interesting than the movie. Lots of background was given for both Hearst and Wells.
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  • 62caddy
    62caddy Posts: 137
    edited December 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    Guys, I know you think it's the sled because they showed the sled with Rosebud on it getting tossed into the fire, but in reality, Rosebud was his pet name for......?


    Answer.....according the the documentary on the second disk anyway, it was his pet name for his girlfriends private parts.

    I must've seen Citizen Kane a good dozen times and I have no idea how this inference was made. Also, the only "girlfriend" I saw was Susan whom he later married. In the movie Kane uttered "Rosebud" only minutes after Susan left him when he died. Somehow I find it difficult to assimilate this "real" meaning of Rosebud with these facts as presented in the film.

    I interpreted the sled/sleigh not only as a symbol of Kane's innocence and youth, but also was the device he used to attack Mr Thatcher who basically set the foundations for what ultimately culminated in Charlie's undoing.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2011
    Citizen Kane and 2001 are the only movies where I have fallen asleep while watching. However, now that I know what is a Rosebud, I should rewatch it sometime after a nap.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited December 2011
    In addition to being a classic this film is shown in many Film History courses as being one of the very first uses of the "Long take Deep focus" technique (see the dining scene!).

    Don't have this on disk so I have no idea what's on the Second disk!

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited December 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    Answer.....according the the documentary on the second disk anyway, it was his pet name for his girlfriends private parts.
    In Kane it was the sled... it was Orson's way of irritating Hurst...

    tb,
    Check out HBO's "RKO 281"...
    http://www.amazon.com/RKO-281-Battle-Over-Citizen/dp/0783116764

    ... and yes, the Hurst/ Murdoch similarities are startling...
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,990
    edited December 2011
    I know that big guy, just fascinates me the back and forth between Hearst/Wells. Wells put forth that rumor about Rosebud actualy being the private parts of Hearsts girlfriend to piss him off. But yes, in the movie it was the sled. It also is very interesting the control Hearst had over the media and the extent he went to to make up stories and destroy those he didn't like. Sound familiar ? On the second disk, you even see Ronald Reagan getting off a train in Dixon,illinois with no mention of him. Also the extent Hearst went to not have Citizen Kane shown was astounding, even successful to a good degree too. Good history on that 2nd disk....and good commentary by those around Hearst/ Wells, Douglas Fairbanks jr. being one of them.
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited January 2012
    you think thats a good movie, check out pigkeepers daughter at netflix.
    humpty dumpty was pushed
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  • evhudsons
    evhudsons Posts: 1,175
    edited January 2012
    ha ha, I have, it's a classic for sure!

    Those were the days when movies were made badly but well done. The girls were smoooooking and natural!
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited January 2012
    tonyb wrote: »
    ... and good commentary by those around Hearst/ Wells, Douglas Fairbanks jr. being one of them.
    Wasn't Fairbanks, Jr. with Hearst on Hearst's boat when some young starlett was killed??? I saw a movie years ago about this.

    Edward Herman played Hearst IIRC...

    And seems like Robert Downey, Jr. was in it too... which makes me think it may have been Chaplin not Dougie, Jr.

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    EDIT: Found it... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266391/

    It was Herman and Chaplin, but not Downey, Jr... Eddie Izzard played Chaplin???
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