Sansui B2101 amp (worth gambling on?)

EndersShadow
EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
edited December 2011 in 2 Channel Audio
I found one around and am debating gambling on purchasing it as according to the ad it doesnt turn on currently. I am curious if anyone has any experience with this amp and if so their thoughts and if its worth a 20 buck gamble.

Found this online: http://www.allegrosound.com/Sansui_B2101.html
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  • cubdog
    cubdog Posts: 835
    edited December 2011
    I'd be sorely tempted. I've wasted $20 on less.

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    cubdog wrote: »
    I'd be sorely tempted. I've wasted $20 on less.

    cubdog

    That was my thought. Since it wont power up it might be a total loss, or something simple a local guy can fix. Either way if I can get a decently cheap amp to run my Monitor 60's for right now, I can focus on getting a good source and pre, and then upgrade the amp last when I actually have speakers worthy of a good dedicated amp....

    This thing looks to have lots of wattage, but who knows...
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited December 2011
    Certainly could be an option. I'd do a little research on repairing them to be sure they don't use unobtanium parts. There might be a reason the guy is selling it cheap rather than fixing it. I am suspicious by nature and all that marketing gobbly **** in the link you provided might mean it's difficult to repair because of lack of proper parts. Then again if it's expensive to repair or parts are unavailable you're only out $20.

    Do you know and trust a good repair shop? That can be a nightmare all it's own. I am speaking from a little experience.

    H9
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited December 2011
    Also unless it's something super simple plan on a repair bill or $200 plus. Again, it could be something very simple.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Certainly could be an option. I'd do a little research on repairing them to be sure they don't use unobtanium parts. There might be a reason the guy is selling it cheap rather than fixing it. I am suspicious by nature and all that marketing gobbly **** in the link you provided might mean it's difficult to repair because of lack of proper parts. Then again if it's expensive to repair or parts are unavailable you're only out $20.

    Do you know and trust a good repair shop? That can be a nightmare all it's own. I am speaking from a little experience.

    H9

    The ad itself isnt the actual seller (its just some info I found on it). The seller has got it posted on CL and is actually asking 125 obo for it. I told him I would give him 20 considering he cant even power it up.

    Here is the actual cl posting: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ele/2690352462.html

    There is a local guy I know with skills that has helped me out before. He does electronics repair for a local hi-fi dealer and has worked on things like bryston, krell, etc so I am sure he can fix it if it is possible. Not sure on what parts it uses hence why I am willing to drop 20 (not 125) on it.

    I figure if its an expensive fix, I am only out 20 bucks, and if he thinks it might be worth attempting to salvage I might be able to save a buck or two.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited December 2011
    Sounds like you might be onto something. Half the battle is finding someone capable and trustworthy to do the repair.

    H9
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Sounds like you might be onto something. Half the battle is finding someone capable and trustworthy to do the repair.

    Yup, otherwise I wouldnt even look twice at this amp. Plus as given by the typo's in the ad I dont know how much the guy selling the items actually knows about them.

    I am hoping its something simple and I might be able to come out of it with a decent 2 channel amp (that I will eventually replace) so I can sell my HK 3490 to move on a good pre.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited December 2011
    The earlier Sansui separates would, I'd opine, represent much better investment risks than the titular power amp in this thread.
    FYI - Best resource for basic Sansui info that I know of is www.classicsansui.net

    edit - oops, looks like it's gone, at least temporarily :-( time for the Wayback Machine, Sherman?
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited December 2011
    I'd take a $20 gamble, but then again, that's why I have a bedroom full of partially working, might work, one day will fix, ectt.. gear. I know you already have a TT, but I'd offer him another $20 for that Pioneer if it powers on and spins /w a needle. You could sell the headshell for almost that much if it's not better than what you have already. Heck for that matter buy it for $20 and on your next trip to Asheville I'll take it for $25 :cheesygrin:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    I'd take a $20 gamble, but then again, that's why I have a bedroom full of partially working, might work, one day will fix, ectt.. gear. I know you already have a TT, but I'd offer him another $20 for that Pioneer if it powers on and spins /w a needle. You could sell the headshell for almost that much if it's not better than what you have already. Heck for that matter buy it for $20 and on your next trip to Asheville I'll take it for $25 :cheesygrin:

    Yeah, that was my thought on what I would be willing to gamble on something that might not work. Not interested in the TT as honestly I have 1 LP and dont play on buying any. I will be staying all digital and maybe add a CD player later on.

    I am not wanting to flip gear on CL. I have enough trouble selling the stuff I actually want to part with, that adding more stuff I dont really need/want just to make a buck isnt worth it lol...

    P.S. All digital means all FLAC via a Squeezebox touch, not Pandora lol....
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited December 2011
    You're just scared to go down the deep dark hole the spinning black disk brings mayhem into your life and when you get that settled a little bit then some smarta** goes and gives you some tube thing a ma jig to get you started. Admit it you like being married too much for vinyl :razz:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,418
    edited December 2011
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Yeah, that was my thought on what I would be willing to gamble on something that might not work. Not interested in the TT as honestly I have 1 LP and dont play on buying any. I will be staying all digital and maybe add a CD player later on.

    ..

    Once black, never go back.:lol:
    If that Pioneer is a linear tracker, grab it. I cannot see the link from here but when I get home I will take a peek.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    You're just scared to go down the deep dark hole the spinning black disk brings mayhem into your life and when you get that settled a little bit then some smarta** goes and gives you some tube thing a ma jig to get you started. Admit it you like being married too much for vinyl :razz:
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Once black, never go back.:lol:
    If that Pioneer is a linear tracker, grab it. I cannot see the link from here but when I get home I will take a peek.

    Hate to make you guys feel old but mostly it's because lots of my music was never ON lp lol. Hard to collect em if they don't exist lol
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited December 2011
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Hate to make you guys feel old but mostly it's because lots of my music was never ON lp lol. Hard to collect em if they don't exist lol

    Now that's just hurtful man. Don't go insulting your elders now...:smile:

    ^John-- it's not a linear tracker, has a curved s type arm
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    Now that's just hurtful man. Don't go insulting your elders now...:smile:

    ^John-- it's not a linear tracker, has a curved s type arm

    I am not trying to be hurtful, just helping to explain my lack of need for vinyl. I was at the end of the cassette tapes and right at the beginning of the CD boom, hence why going all digital is appealing to me.
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  • codyc1ark
    codyc1ark Posts: 2,532
    edited December 2011
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    Now that's just hurtful man. Don't go insulting your elders now...:smile:

    ^John-- it's not a linear tracker, has a curved s type arm

    Oooohhh come on Trav, your not THAT old, are you!?!

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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited December 2011
    I was just giving you a hard time Enders. I wasn't hurt at all and sorry I derailed your thread. Hope you get the amp to try it out, it could be something as simple as a fuse inside the case I've had that happen before and got a good deal.

    @Cody- No not too old, I'll turn 40 in February so I've got a few years left if the cigs don't get me first. I quit drinking 2 years ago and smoking is next on the agenda of bad habits that needs to end.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,730
    edited December 2011
    $20 ? Heck yeah, worth getting just to futz with at that price. Get it working, great. Don't get it working ..... experiment. :loneranger:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    I was just giving you a hard time Enders. I wasn't hurt at all and sorry I derailed your thread. Hope you get the amp to try it out, it could be something as simple as a fuse inside the case I've had that happen before and got a good deal.

    Yup, no response from the seller yet so I doubt its going to happen, but oh well, life continues.

    No worries about derailing the thread, I dereail my own threads enough, its no biggie.

    @cody.... I have been browsing the forum lately via my iPhone.... (I feel like I need to take a shower again now) :wink:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    Heard back from the seller. It powers up but not sure if both Channels work. Asked for more info and some additional pics. What would you guys be willi g to pay if you were me?
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited December 2011
    Recent ebay sales suggest $225-425. I'd risk $40 maybe $50 max if I knew a reasonable cost service center to do repairs I could count on. Here's a link w/ some more info-

    http://www.allegrosound.com/Sansui_B2101.html

    Good luck
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2011
    Looks lik just sit and wait. Might check it out in sunday
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