Gone SUB CRAZY HELP SVS HSU POLK???

AndrewReefer559
AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
edited October 2011 in Speakers
originally saw the polk psw 505 for 199 and was very excited. Starting going deeper and looking at the BIC F12 which then led me to the HSU STF-2 and on my local CL is a svs pb10 for $300. One of these are going with monitor 70s/30s/cs2. Whats the best sub for under 500?
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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    are the other dsw polk subs good?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    edited October 2011
    AndrewReefer559 wrote: »
    are the other dsw polk subs good?

    Yes the DSW line is much better than the PSW line (with maybe the exception being the PSW505)
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited October 2011
    I would say the entire line of DSW Pro subs is better than the PSW line. That is compairing subs with the same size driver.

    So the DSW Pro 600 or 660WI is > the PSW505.

    I would go with the WI series subs. They have 2x as many watts as the regualr DSW Pro line.


    Part of making low freq sound is the physical size of the driver (or sufrace area). Buying an 8 in sub that has a lot of power wont out preform a lower powered sub that has a 15" driver. Yes the design and build qualiy are also key factors.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    does the dsw 600 compare to hsu or bic subs of similar price tho?
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited October 2011
    Please understand the room your are trying to preasurize and the sub you are choosing is capable of preasurizing a room that big.
    LXWXH - cubic feet.

    Otherwise you may not be happy.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    im confused about how many people rave about the hsu STF-2 but it has such a low power rating compared to the BIC PL200? still looking for the right choice under 400
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited October 2011
    AndrewReefer559 wrote: »
    does the dsw 600 compare to hsu or bic subs of similar price tho?

    The DSW Pro 600 goes 5 hz lower than the BIC F12. The BIC F12 only has a 150w amplifier.

    The DSW Pro 600 and HSU STF-2 have about the same frequency for the -3 or (HSU's -2) db point. 25hz. The DSW Pro has a 12 in driver vs the HSU's 10. The HSU has a 200 watt amp and DSW Pro 600 has a 250 watt ampilifer.

    The DSW Pro 660 Wi has a 500 watt amplifier. It also has 4 phase settings. 0,90,180,270.

    You can get the DSW Pro WI's for a good price when new egg has them on sale. Pretty comparable to the HSU, but more than the BIC F12. The BIC F12 can be bough on amazon for $200.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited October 2011
    AndrewReefer559 wrote: »
    im confused about how many people rave about the hsu STF-2 but it has such a low power rating compared to the BIC PL200? still looking for the right choice under 400

    Its a better sub. Just because it has more watts don't make it better.

    HSU rates the STF -2 for up to a 3k cf room.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    And how does the pl-200 compare? Thanks guys
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited October 2011
    Andrew, you seem to just want a sub to plop in place and be happy. If you don't learn and investigate you will end up disappointed and have wasted your money.

    9/10 this is what I see people doing.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited October 2011
    AndrewReefer559 wrote: »
    And how does the pl-200 compare? Thanks guys

    1/2 wattage and has a frequency responce down to 22hz where the DSW PRO 660WI goes down to 20hz. BIC doesnt give a -3db spec.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    I plan to move within a year so I don't want to be confined to a smaller room sub just to upgrade in 9 months
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited October 2011
    I would wait until I knew more about the room or get the baddest bull goose **** sub you can afford.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited October 2011
    thsmith wrote: »
    I would wait until I knew more about the room or get the baddest bull goose **** sub you can afford.

    Yep no need to buy just what you need when you can get the baddest one you can afford.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    well i guess im a tad confused on amp ratings and hz ratings. The polk dsw pro 660 is $393 amazon. The pl-200 is 328$ amazon. The stf-2 is 349$ and the bic F12 is onsale, and of course polk 505 is 199. So i guess whats going to give me the best bang, literally bang for my buck. Room right now is 2k cf
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited October 2011
    Hz is the frequency. The human ear hears from 20hz to 20,000hz.

    The -3db point is the frequency in wich the subs volume has dropped 3 decibles. As subs play lower frequencys they loose volume. So the -3db point is where the sub starts to fall off in volume as the frequencys get lower.

    Wattage is the power rating of the amplifier. Dynamic or Peak wattage is for quick momentary bursts.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,480
    edited October 2011
    Epiks got some pretty bad a** subs. The legend seems to be just above the OP's price range.

    http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/legend.html
    Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2

    Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)

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  • AndrewReefer559
    AndrewReefer559 Posts: 28
    edited October 2011
    polk dsw pro 660 on sale on newegg right now for 349 free shipping. 'add to cart' thanks guys
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited October 2011
    If it were me I would be looking at a bigger, better sub. You can always turn down a sub if its too loud. But you cant make a sub better or louder. So save and get better. You also have not mentioned Elemental designs subs. They are also very good subs.
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