Value of used ic's and speaker wire?

soundfreak1
soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
edited September 2011 in 2 Channel Audio
Have a shot at some KIMBERLY KABLE PBJ WITH ULTRAPLATE RCA'S FOR 60.00 a pair and KIMBERLY KABLE speaker wire ( 15 ft. Eq.) Two pieces
# 4tc ( black and blue version) bare ends. For 160.00. Newbie as far as higher grade cables. I think these are entry level high end. What are they worth used in good condition,and are they worth buying?
Main Rig:
Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
MIT exp 1 ic's
Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
AQ kingcobra ic's
OPPO 83 CDP
Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
ADS L1590/2 Biamped
MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited September 2011
    Price seems a little high to me for used; especially the non-terminated 4TC. As affordable as PBJ/4TC are, you might consider just buying new. Both are great values even at retail.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited September 2011
    Seems to high to me as well. I am a huge fan of Kimber Kable's.

    I prefer 8TC over the 4tc and 12tc.
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  • JPSmario
    JPSmario Posts: 142
    edited September 2011
    I'm happy with my 8TC's. terminated with banana's and used, they cost only a few bucks more than the 4's here.
    Dual 1229/Grado Gold/Rotel RCD1070/RC995/RB980BX/Pioneer 7100/Denon DRM710/Monster HTS3600MKII/PolkAudio SDA2B/TL's
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  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited September 2011
    That's what I felt, but I'm just learning the market. Thanks all.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited September 2011
    Always better to ask than get ripped off.
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  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited September 2011
    Consider the 8tc instead.
    SDA-2BTL with custom IC
    Adcom 565 monoblocks--Monarchy Audio M-10 preamp
    Theta Data Basic Transport--Stello DA100 Signature DAC--Camelot Dragon Pro2 MK III
    Harman Kardon T-55c TT
    DH Labs Q-10 Signature Speaker Cables With Furez silver plated copper bananas
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver Reference AES/EBU
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver i2s digital cable
    4 Furutech FP-314Ag with FI-11cu Plugs/FI-11AG IECs--- Power Cords
    DH LABS REVELATIONS ICs-amps
    Revelation Audio Labs Paradise cryo-silver ICs-Source to pre
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  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited September 2011
    I have learned a lot since I joined this club,and have a better appriation of the desease errrrrr I mean hobby.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited September 2011
    I had PBJ's/4TC for awhile, then later went to Hero/8TC. I've been running those for quite a few years and have never felt a need to move to anything else.

    Having said that, I would have been perfectly happy with the PBJ/4TC combo. FWIW, I noticed more difference between PBJ/Hero than I did between 4TC/8TC..but even that was quite subtle, and really just amounts to which tonal character you prefer.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • lanchile
    lanchile Posts: 560
    edited September 2011
    soundfreak1 wrote: »
    Have a shot at some KIMBERLY KABLE PBJ WITH ULTRAPLATE RCA'S FOR 60.00 a pair and KIMBERLY KABLE speaker wire ( 15 ft. Eq.) Two pieces
    # 4tc ( black and blue version) bare ends. For 160.00. Newbie as far as higher grade cables. I think these are entry level high end. What are they worth used in good condition,and are they worth buying?

    Remember, "before" the speaker terminals there are just "regular" fuses (thin wire). so I would not pay that much for "exotic lunar" material wires.:eek:
    Make it simple...Make it better!
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited September 2011
    I don't know that PBJ/4TC qualify as "exotic lunar material" but I'll take the compliment. :wink:
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • lanchile
    lanchile Posts: 560
    edited September 2011
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I don't know that PBJ/4TC qualify as "exotic lunar material" but I'll take the compliment. :wink:

    Even Though I own Bryston amplifier, I would never spend $$$ in exotic cables.:biggrin:
    Make it simple...Make it better!
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2011
    Kimberly Kable....that's Ray Kimber's little sister's line of cables I believe. Not as good, IMHO
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited September 2011
    lanchile wrote: »
    Even Though I own Bryston amplifier, I would never spend $$$ in exotic cables.:biggrin:

    What if Kimberly looks exotic????
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • lanchile
    lanchile Posts: 560
    edited September 2011
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    What if Kimberly looks exotic????

    it is the crazy money that some people spend in wires...that is all!!!
    Make it simple...Make it better!
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited September 2011
    Never understood why it has to always be about crazy amounts of money. You can grab used cables for 30-50 bucks. Hardly uber expensive and normally will get the job done. No one is telling the op to spend thousands and told him it was over priced already. Just because YOU wouldn't buy it doesn't mean the op can't try it. Let him form his own opinion with his ears and gear.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited September 2011
    Because we can?

    Everybody "geeks out" at a different level with any hobby, no?

    Some people buy a brand new Corvette, have the engine pulled and totally hot-rodded. Other owners are content with the stock setup. Will either Corvette get you work? Yup.

    Personal choice, just that simple. No need to justify it, explain it, or categorize it. It is what it is. Why be so preoccupied with what other people do? If it's not your cup of tea, move along.

    I don't understand why people put thousands of dollars of audio equipment in cars--but you don't see me bitchin at them about it, because it's what they choose to do--and guess what, it isn't any of my damn business.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited September 2011
    I consider Cables the fine wine of audio.

    You can get some 5.00 box wine or you can get a nice bottle of vintage wine.

    Both will get you drunk but one will do it with better flavor and the other will just give you a headache.
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  • JPSmario
    JPSmario Posts: 142
    edited September 2011
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Because we can?

    Everybody "geeks out" at a different level with any hobby, no?

    Some people buy a brand new Corvette, have the engine pulled and totally hot-rodded. Other owners are content with the stock setup. Will either Corvette get you work? Yup.

    Personal choice, just that simple. No need to justify it, explain it, or categorize it. It is what it is. Why be so preoccupied with what other people do? If it's not your cup of tea, move along.

    I don't understand why people put thousands of dollars of audio equipment in cars--but you don't see me bitchin at them about it, because it's what they choose to do--and guess what, it isn't any of my damn business.

    +5 different strokes for different folks. different passions, different budgets, different ears. I always thought expensive cables were a profit center for retailers stuck with competitively narrow margins on big ticket stuff. maybe the gear I had then wouldn't reveal the difference? I don't know, but when I upgraded my electronics, I was shocked at what I heard when my friend said, "you think so, well try these":eek: I kept the cables and gave him the $$.

    Corvettes? I don't know....:wink::biggrin:
    Dual 1229/Grado Gold/Rotel RCD1070/RC995/RB980BX/Pioneer 7100/Denon DRM710/Monster HTS3600MKII/PolkAudio SDA2B/TL's
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited September 2011
    What fun is a hobby that you can't tweak things along the way? Right?
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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