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soundfreak1
soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
edited September 2011 in Electronics
I've been toying with the idea of getting back into recording. Have experience. With nack. Case. As well as a varity of vintage r2r equip. Haveimg said that, how do cd player/recorders compair in sound (recording) quality? Aside from the price variables can I expect to get a high quality recording equal to a good above mentioned tape rwcording or would they be better?
Main Rig:
Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
MIT exp 1 ic's
Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
AQ kingcobra ic's
OPPO 83 CDP
Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
ADS L1590/2 Biamped
MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited September 2011
    There is a difference in sound to me.

    Some Hard Drive recorders do a decent job of adding some analog warmth back but nothing beats tape imho.

    Quality wise, probably equal in what you record but not in feel. Again just my opinion.
    When I recorded with my old band we always went analog for feel. It's easy enough to transfer afterward anyway.
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited September 2011
    I know what you mean, I guess I needed comformation, just have no exp. With digital audio recording. A r2r worth having is still exp. And good tape is not Cheep either. Oh well , what cha gonna do?
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited September 2011
    I know what you mean, I guess I needed comformation, just have no exp. With digital audio recording. A r2r worth having is still exp. And good tape is not Cheep either. Oh well , what cha gonna do?

    I wouldn't go reel to reel unless I absolutely had to. So much of the recording we do nowadays is no longer analogue based, but digital using hard drive recordings, CD burners, or in my personal case, DAT transports. Nowadays I find myself moving toward flash based recorders though (Korg MR2000S), as DAT tapes are getting hard to find.

    The other significant thing to point out is no one records in stereo anymore. Almost all the recordings done today are multitrack rather than straight analogue mix.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited September 2011
    sk1939 wrote: »
    I wouldn't go reel to reel unless I absolutely had to. So much of the recording we do nowadays is no longer analogue based, but digital using hard drive recordings, CD burners, or in my personal case, DAT transports. Nowadays I find myself moving toward flash based recorders though (Korg MR2000S), as DAT tapes are getting hard to find.

    The other significant thing to point out is no one records in stereo anymore. Almost all the recordings done today are multitrack rather than straight analogue mix.

    That is a very good point on all counts. As I do prefer the sound and feel of Analog and the sound it brings to the table, nowadays most recording are multi-track and mixed down later.

    In the case of the Korg and Tascam flash recorders, they are turning into small recording suites.

    There is a case to be made of using both. I have done this and the results were quite good, even if the material wasn't.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,396
    edited September 2011
    Are you talking live recording? If so, it's all about the mircophones and less about the actual media you are using to capture the recording. Is this for multi-track purposes? Computers and hard drive recording with something like Pro-Tools is fairly easy and the results can be excellent. But in the end it's all about the MICROPHONES.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited September 2011
    Thinking strictly 2ch analog. I have a dedicated HT system for tv and movies and a couple 2 ch analog systems. Would be recording music from streaming and op cd's borrowed for that purpose. Never have cared for multi ch digital sound. Just have no exp. With digital recording.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,396
    edited September 2011
    Thinking strictly 2ch analog. I have a dedicated HT system for tv and movies and a couple 2 ch analog systems. Would be recording music from streaming and op cd's borrowed for that purpose. Never have cared for multi ch digital sound. Just have no exp. With digital recording.

    OK, so you aren't recording live you are "copying" existing music. When someone says they dabbled in recording and want to get into it again, to me that means "live" recording in a studio or small club, etc.

    You mean copying or recording stuff off the air (streaming) or other cd's, etc.

    Disregard my post then.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited September 2011
    Thinking strictly 2ch analog. I have a dedicated HT system for tv and movies and a couple 2 ch analog systems. Would be recording music from streaming and op cd's borrowed for that purpose. Never have cared for multi ch digital sound. Just have no exp. With digital recording.

    Your confusing multi-channel with multi-track, they are completely different. Multi-track recording is a method of sound recording that allows for the separate recording of multiple sound sources to create a cohesive whole. Mutli-channel audio encompasses a range of techniques for enriching the sound reproduction quality of an audio source with audio channels reproduced via additional, discrete speakers, often compressed and encoded encoded via Dolby Digital and DTS, and lossless audio (but still encoded) DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD. Also, almost all music produced today is recorded digitally so your statement really only pertains to "last mile" in home usage.


    As for recording from a CD and streaming, just use your computer and Audacity or foobar2000. Streaming will be poor quality regardless, so recording from your sound card won't matter.
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    Home 2 (Playback):
    Dynaudio BM5A MKII/Dynaudio SUB 250MC/Audigy 2 ZS
    College:
    JBL LSR 2325P/JBL 2310SP/MOTU UltraLite MKIII
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited September 2011
    No confussion here. I know the diff in multi ch and multi track. Just never cared for 5/6/7 ch sound. I like the sound of 2 ch. Stereo. I remember the days of ( quad) qnd though novel at the time I didn't think it natural. Like multi ch. The band should not surround me they should be on stage with me in the audiance. Tv and movies it is natural for the sound to be comming from all around ( real world) but not music. Just a preference.plus I've had my share of digital recievers and avr's and processors for HT and even the best of them can't compair to a good 2 ch. Rig. Properly set up the sound is (I thimk
    ) more real.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited September 2011
    No confussion here. I know the diff in multi ch and multi track. Just never cared for 5/6/7 ch sound. I like the sound of 2 ch. Stereo. I remember the days of ( quad) qnd though novel at the time I didn't think it natural. Like multi ch. The band should not surround me they should be on stage with me in the audiance. Tv and movies it is natural for the sound to be comming from all around ( real world) but not music. Just a preference.plus I've had my share of digital recievers and avr's and processors for HT and even the best of them can't compair to a good 2 ch. Rig. Properly set up the sound is (I thimk
    ) more real.

    I have yet to hear any music in surround sound, so I can't comment on that. I do agree music should be two channel though.
    Home:
    Onkyo TX-6500MKII/Polk LSI 9's (A)Polk TSi 100(B)/Polk PSW 10/Onkyo C-S5VL/Technics SL-QD33
    Home 2 (Playback):
    Dynaudio BM5A MKII/Dynaudio SUB 250MC/Audigy 2 ZS
    College:
    JBL LSR 2325P/JBL 2310SP/MOTU UltraLite MKIII