SDA 1.2tl's with Dueland Resistors

Toolfan66
Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
edited July 2012 in Vintage Speakers
I ordered some Dueland Resistors some time ago and they finally made it to the USA.. I ordered short tubes as they are about 5" LONG these are about 3" LONG and still a pain to fit even with a custom board.

I think they look pretty good considering what I have to work with, I am looking forward to finishing and putting them to work..:tongue:
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited August 2011
    Lovin it
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited August 2011
    Just finished putting the crossovers back in with a little SADE paving the way for a few hours..

    Thanks Trey..
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2011
    Not a fan but they're better than stock.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited August 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Not a fan but they're better than stock.

    Would love to hear why.

    How much did each of those run you bro?
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited August 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Not a fan but they're better than stock.

    What was it you didn't like about them Mark?? For me it's just their length that makes it hard to use.. I love what I'm hearing in my CRS+'s, and hope to like them just as much in the 1.2's.. I will be able to tell this afternoon..
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  • dcmartinpc
    dcmartinpc Posts: 844
    edited August 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    What was it you didn't like about them Mark?? For me it's just their length that makes it hard to use.. I love what I'm hearing in my CRS+'s, and hope to like them just as much in the 1.2's.. I will be able to tell this afternoon..

    I was wondering the same thing. I have all mills in my SRS 2 p/b crossovers, but after seeing you can get the deulunds a little shorter, I am very tempted to swap them out! Do they have a price list for the shorter versions?

    Don
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited August 2011
    I had to email them what I wanted and they let me know what I was looking at. I also told them I wanted longer leads as well.
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  • dcmartinpc
    dcmartinpc Posts: 844
    edited September 2011
    Reported emmagal27
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    Theater: Denon 4311ci, Oppo BDP-93, Parasound HCA-2205+HCA-2200II, Polk LSi9, LSiC, LSiFX, LSi7, Custom 18" TC Sounds sub with 2 18" PR, Sharp XV-Z12000, Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M (isf Enabled)

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  • xoaphexox
    xoaphexox Posts: 246
    edited September 2011
    They look like cinnamon (or walking) sticks glued to the xover. Interested to hear how they sound vs Mills...

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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited September 2011
    xoaphexox wrote: »
    They look like cinnamon (or walking) sticks glued to the xover. Interested to hear how they sound vs Mills...

    Ditto
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited September 2011
    Duelund are far more sterile sounding than Mills but in a way that you hear more details and it stages better.

    In my experiences synergy has far more to do with resistors than quality - I have used 1.50 resistors that I liked better than Mills and Duelund.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2011
    Ahem...
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited September 2011
    Quick update I am loving the detail that the Duelands give the sound stage so much better then the Mills, Funny thing is when I first was listening I was hearing so much more detail I would hear these little clicks and snaps and it took me a few to realize that I was hearing the drum sticks hitting with so much better clarity at first I thought something was wrong LOL!!

    All the little details are so much cleaner it's insane, and with them settling in after a few days it's that much better. The only down side to them is the cost they are not cheap when you need as many as I did for the 1.2tl's, and when you order them custom with a shorter tube and longer leads so they will fit the boards better that is an extra cost as well..

    Thanks to Mike (Face) for pushing me over the edge..
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited September 2011
    Ohhhh let me add that the Piano Keys are off the hook as well with the new resistors not that they were bad before but man oh man are they clean when they hit..
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  • xoaphexox
    xoaphexox Posts: 246
    edited September 2011
    What about the Dueland (physically) makes them sound better than the Mills?

    Burson HA-160D > Adcom GFA-5802 > Polk SDA-SRS 1.2tl w/ Mye Sound Spikes, Mills/Sonicap XO, Larry's Rings, Dynamat Extreme, Cardas CCGR Binding Posts and Jumpers, Custom 10ga interconnect, Custom Gaskets, RDO-198
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited September 2011
    xoaphexox wrote: »
    What about the Dueland (physically) makes them sound better than the Mills?

    Not sure what it is physically, to be honest I would still like to know why it has to be a long tube.

    Face might know more..
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  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2011
    xoaphexox wrote: »
    What about the Dueland (physically) makes them sound better than the Mills?

    Uhm, carbon resistor element instead of wirewound?
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  • xoaphexox
    xoaphexox Posts: 246
    edited September 2011
    quadzilla wrote: »
    Uhm, carbon resistor element instead of wirewound?

    I see - so carbon inherently sounds better than wire-wound - interesting.

    Burson HA-160D > Adcom GFA-5802 > Polk SDA-SRS 1.2tl w/ Mye Sound Spikes, Mills/Sonicap XO, Larry's Rings, Dynamat Extreme, Cardas CCGR Binding Posts and Jumpers, Custom 10ga interconnect, Custom Gaskets, RDO-198
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  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2011
    xoaphexox wrote: »
    I see - so carbon inherently sounds better than wire-wound - interesting.

    I wouldn't say "inherently". I'm pretty sure they do a bit more than just stuff a piece of graphite into a case with a couple of leads. But to get to real specifics of construction, well, I doubt they'd tell you, me, or anyone else exactly how they're made.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2011
    Similar concept, if you want to make your own Graphite resistors: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/graphite.htm
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,572
    edited September 2011
    Face wrote: »
    Similar concept, if you want to make your own Graphite resistors: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/graphite.htm

    Cool link, thanks!
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  • xoaphexox
    xoaphexox Posts: 246
    edited September 2011
    Face wrote: »
    Similar concept, if you want to make your own Graphite resistors: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/graphite.htm

    That is fascinating, and I believe explains why they are so long. Thanks!

    Burson HA-160D > Adcom GFA-5802 > Polk SDA-SRS 1.2tl w/ Mye Sound Spikes, Mills/Sonicap XO, Larry's Rings, Dynamat Extreme, Cardas CCGR Binding Posts and Jumpers, Custom 10ga interconnect, Custom Gaskets, RDO-198
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited September 2011
    Face wrote: »
    Similar concept, if you want to make your own Graphite resistors: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/graphite.htm

    That was a good read. Thanks!! not part of the hobby I want to dig into though,,
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited September 2011
    Face wrote: »
    Similar concept, if you want to make your own Graphite resistors: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/graphite.htm

    Totally great information. It's amazing how deep we go into this hobby.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2011
    Larry, did you just leave a mills resistor in the polyswitch spot? Or, just a jumper? It's a little too dark for me to tell. I wouldn't think you would need to go so far as to use a duelund resistor here, would you? Or, maybe it would be better? Thanks again.

    Greg
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited December 2011
    headrott wrote: »
    Larry, did you just leave a mills resistor in the polyswitch spot? Or, just a jumper? It's a little too dark for me to tell. I wouldn't think you would need to go so far as to use a duelund resistor here, would you? Or, maybe it would be better? Thanks again.

    Greg

    I am just using the .5 mills and it is mounted under the board..



    Edit in that pic I was using a jumper.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2011
    OK, that's what I figured. That'll save me about $100.00.:cheesygrin: Thanks Larry.

    Greg
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited December 2011
    For the record I prefer the Duelands over the mills the detail and clarity are by far better IMO..
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,453
    edited December 2011
    very nice Larry. I bet they're some very sweet sounds coming out of those 1.2tl's
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited December 2011
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    For the record I prefer the Duelands over the mills the detail and clarity are by far better IMO..

    Did you use Cast Duelands or the silver/carbon ones?

    I just emailed them and they recommend the cast resistors at the cost of 40 euros ($52) each!
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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