sda 1

soundfreak1
soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
edited August 2011 in Vintage Speakers
Where do the sda 1's. Fit into the big picture? Have 12b's and 12c's and love them but have always wanted to try the sda's . A nice looking pair are available to me ay what seem a decent price and just trying to deside if its worth spending the money and if they compair to the 12's. I know they are diff and not a direct equal or better but that my referance is the 12's. but where do they stand with other sda models? Cost to me between 200/250.00 for the pair. Again they look very nice condition. Input would be helpful. Thanks.
Main Rig:
Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
MIT exp 1 ic's
Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
AQ kingcobra ic's
OPPO 83 CDP
Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
ADS L1590/2 Biamped
MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2011
    SDA's are totally different than Monitors/RTA's. Which SDA 1's are they? They vary significantly and the only way to help is to know which generation they are. Photo's would help a lot.

    There is no comparison to the RTA 12's because they are a different design. Depending on which SDA 1's they are, IMO the SDA's are superior. Of course other RTA 12 owners may disagree.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited August 2011
    Waiting for the driver #'s but they have sl1000 tweets mounted horizontly and 4 drivers stacked 2 on 2 wood cabs. Owner says there marked sda 1's.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2011
    Those are most likely SDA1A's, the second horizontal tweet is a dimensional tweeter. They did away with that later as they refined the SDA approach. Some like the dimensional tweeter, most don't. I suppose for the right price it's not a deal breaker. The sl1000 tweeters aren't that great either, no better or worse than sl2000's.

    The ideal SDA 1 to get is the last generation "C" model with the single x-over board and oak end caps, Pin/Blade. They also use the side wound voice coil MW6211 and MW6210 drivers.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited August 2011
    Is the 1c the one with the virticle tweets as opposed to the horz. Tweets?
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2011
    Is the 1c the one with the virticle tweets as opposed to the horz. Tweets?

    Most 1B's and all 1C's have that, but be aware there was a lot of cross over in models and later 1C's are a little different than earlier 1C's. There is no clear line of delineation.

    Clues, like x-over boards, pin/blade, cabinet types, driver models #'s all need to be looked at to verify which model is actually for sale.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • nwohlford
    nwohlford Posts: 700
    edited August 2011
    1Bs also have vertical tweeter alignment. The easiest way to tell between the 1B and 1Cs is that the 1Cs have wood trim above the grill on the front.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2011
    nwohlford wrote: »
    1Bs also have vertical tweeter alignment. The easiest way to tell between the 1B and 1Cs is that the 1Cs have wood trim above the grill on the front.

    The "wood trim" is the over hang of the oak endcap, the front grill was designed to "butt" up against the overhang and sit flush. 1C studio versions look just like 1B's so you can't say all 1C's have the end caps. Also there are some 1B look-a-likes that are actually early 1C's.

    Like I said, there is no clear delineation so there isn't a "blanket" statement that can be made.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited August 2011
    Were the polk guys smoking grass on the job back then
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2011
    Were the polk guys smoking grass on the job back then

    Probably :biggrin:

    It's more about using up parts inventory than anything else. Not a lot of difference between 1B's and early 1C's other than the cabinets on the 1C's being better, more rigid, better quality. Later 1C's had some distinct advantages, the drivers were better, as well as the simplified 1-board x-over, pin/blade, and certain serial #'s could be used with AI-1 interconnect so you could use a non-common ground amplifer.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited August 2011
    So confusing, if there speakers didn't sound so Damn good I'd be pissed. LOL.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • flason
    flason Posts: 278
    edited August 2011
    For the $260 asking price, how could you go wrong? You could sell the parts for more than that (though that would be a shame).
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited August 2011
    Got a point on the parts thing, but think I'll wait for the c's. Have 12 b's and c's now might as well wait for the right ones.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable