Lying cheating stores

EndersShadow
EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
edited August 2011 in Electronics
So my wife and I went to Frys to look at TV's today. We are looking to possibly update our 56" DLP to a 55 or bigger LCD. I dont give a crap about 3D, 120hz or 240hz, LED, etc.

So we saw a 55" Samsung LCD. My wife has a 32" and we really like Samsung's LCD's. The picture just looked off compared to all the other TV's.

It just so happened it was one of the cheaper last years model that was on sale.

So I had kinda read up on that model and knew it was supposed to be pretty darned good, so I was intrigued.

We went down the next isle and I looked at the connection and surprise surprise....... they had it being fed a standard def signal over DVI......

So once again they were trying to get you spend more for non sale TV's.

This **** pisses me off as every other TV in that row and the one behind it was being fed a HDMI cable and a HD signal.....

Makes me thankful I know enough to look for that stuff.

/end rant
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  • HTguru1982
    HTguru1982 Posts: 1,066
    edited August 2011
    Fry's is still pulling that crap? They were already busted once: http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/23/monster-hdmi-difference-scam-still-kickin-in-frys-electronic/
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited August 2011
    Walmart will be the only one left standing. Price rules all in North America.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,028
    edited August 2011
    I dont give a crap about 3D, 120hz or 240hz, LED, etc.
    We went down the next isle and I looked at the connection and surprise surprise....... they had it being fed a standard def signal over DVI......

    Those two comments seem to contradict each other.
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  • Jer.War
    Jer.War Posts: 180
    edited August 2011
    It always pays to be an informed consumer when it comes to buying electronics. There are too many shady and unscrupulous salseman who will sign whatever song is neccessary for someone to drop some dough, regardless of wheter the product is better, does what YOU want it to, or is something you can afford.
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  • 20hz
    20hz Posts: 636
    edited August 2011
    THAT IS A SHAME , basically thats false advertising , thats kinda like going to a new car lot and they only wash the cars on sale or only put 15 lbs of air in the dirty cars tires so it rides bad .
    You would think Frys would make every tv look the best (plug wise) and the consumer would be able to see the quality differance and make the best choice , I thought thats what we as consumers are supposed to do not just get feed lies , well its to bad the truth will come out later ..
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
    edited August 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Those two comments seem to contradict each other.

    What I do care about is decent picture, 1080p and refresh rates/lag which this had all of as a result of the DVI signal (since it was being stretched out to look full screen).
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  • Marty913
    Marty913 Posts: 760
    edited August 2011
    Actually, DVI & HDMI are identical in terms of "image quality". Unless you were evaluating 3D capabilities or audio, the picture would be the same either way. I do agree that they all should be hooked up the same but if they have a 16 port splitter and 20 sets then using DVI would be perfectly understandable - and not affect picture quality in any way.
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,612
    edited August 2011
    I have not read up much on what most will prefer. But from what I have seen I would prefer LED over LCD or plasma. And since you said you don't care about LED, I am guessing your budget would allow for one. LCD has a better picture to you then?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
    edited August 2011
    LED's screens tend to glare more (like plasma's). My wife is 100 percent against that. She wants a TV we can watch with the windows open and the LCD's we are looking at fit that.

    We will be coming from a 56" DLP that is 19" deep. So as long as the screen can be viewed with the windows open, is 1080 and doesnt lag we are good. We will wallmount the TV and it can be up to 9" deep and it would still be a massive improvement
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  • Glowrdr
    Glowrdr Posts: 1,103
    edited August 2011
    You've been around enough that I know I'm not telling you anything new - but the technology has nothing to do with how much glare is on the screen. Just buy the TV you want, with an anti-glare screen. I know certain brands tend to have more of a selection with this feature, but it's just another "option" that you need to stand your ground on. You want a 1080p TV, so you don't look at 1080i ones. You don't want glare, quit looking at high gloss screens.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited August 2011
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    LED's screens tend to glare more (like plasma's). My wife is 100 percent against that. She wants a TV we can watch with the windows open and the LCD's we are looking at fit that.

    We will be coming from a 56" DLP that is 19" deep. So as long as the screen can be viewed with the windows open, is 1080 and doesnt lag we are good. We will wallmount the TV and it can be up to 9" deep and it would still be a massive improvement

    well if you look at plasma's a lot of them don't glare like they used to. They have come a long way and the glare on my Panny VT20 is either the same or better than what I had on a Samsung LCD in the same room. The Panny is a far better picture in terms of blacks and the display and I paid less for it than I did my Samsung that I had that was only a 46".

    most of those displays your seeing do not look like they really should in the first place. If you calibrate it and put it against one in a store it will seem dim but looks far more natural on skin tones ect. I've never had a problem with mine even in a brighter room. Then again if your serious about watching you would pull black out shades and darken the room as best as possible.

    DVI can pass full 1080P no problem. I've done it before in my own set up. I could see if they ran out of cables for HDMI or something so hooked it up differently. Regardless the feed should be the same and not changed just because its DVI. You can run HDMI to DVI cables and never have an issue. I didn't and was doing so with my projector.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
    edited August 2011
    I am aware of the Panny plasma's I was looking at the G25's or G20 series.

    The main problem is they were feeding it a stretched STANDARD signal NOT HD.

    Shes not dead set against Plasma (which I prefer) but she makes the final call on this one...

    I get to keep the DLP for the eventual "man cave". It will be there with a screen + projector eventually, so this TV I could care less.

    When we get a house it will be in the main room + maybe a surround bar. The HT room will be all mine :biggrin:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
    edited August 2011
    Either way its going to be around Christmas or black Friday at the earliest before we might purchase anything..... we just get bored and go window shopping :biggrin:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,028
    edited August 2011
    LED vs LCD
    LED televisions are really just LCD televisions that use LED lights for back lighting instead of the flourescent CFL lighting traditionally used for LCDs. ...

    Still the same un-natural picture regardless and the screen coating has nothing to do with whether it's LED or LCD as Glowrdr alluded to.
    well if you look at plasma's a lot of them don't glare like they used to.

    Agreed.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited August 2011
    I'm with you on that Ender, I probably won't get a tv til Black Friday too. The Sammy's color always look so nice compared to the others,but I can't get past all of the problems Samsung owners have had lately dealing with their customer service,or lack of.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited August 2011
    I just saw a 60" 1080p Panny plasma at Costco for 1299.00 (less than I paid for a 50" a year ago!:eek::mad:)
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited August 2011
    LED still uses a LCD screen. It is just back lit by LED's vs Bulbs. If you get a LED tv a Fully back lit LED is the only way to go. That way it can dim or shut off LED's behind the LCD screen. Edge lit LED's stay on all the time and dont dim.

    I would go plasma over LED or LCD because I dont like my tv to look Cartoony to try to cover up the lag of a LCD screen. When you see 240 or 480 hz it isnt the actuall refresh rate. The "Software" in the tv is supose to cause the screen to look like it is 240 hz or 480hz. It usually just makes it look like an animated cartoon to me.
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  • HTguru1982
    HTguru1982 Posts: 1,066
    edited August 2011
    Plasma also gets my vote over LCD.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
    edited August 2011
    jbooker82 wrote: »
    I would go plasma over LED or LCD because I dont like my tv to look Cartoony to try to cover up the lag of a LCD screen. When you see 240 or 480 hz it isnt the actuall refresh rate. The "Software" in the tv is supose to cause the screen to look like it is 240 hz or 480hz. It usually just makes it look like an animated cartoon to me.

    Yup my dad's TV is 120 hz and it causes lots of issues w/ video games like Halo
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2011
    Fry's always pulls this crap, and is why I refuse to buy a TV from them.

    I'm a plasma guy, I find them to have a more natural picture. The LED sets are brighter and have more of the 'oooo shiny' effect, but in my home I prefer the plasma for everyday use. Plasmas don't work well with direct sunlight though...
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  • swb502
    swb502 Posts: 112
    edited August 2011
    I haven't seen any problems on 120hz TVs with videogames but I only played one for about an hour. I had a buddy who said his 240hz can not be used with games, period.
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited August 2011
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    They need to be able to make a profit too,

    No I have nothing against profit...profit is good if it's made honestly and no one is ripped off by scams like Monster and some retail stores, I guess you like con artists taking people's hard earned money and lying to them all in the name of "profit" right? Unless you're some hot shot business owner CEO I wouldn't take the side of the business owner if you're a regular average random consumer like most the people trying to put together a nice home theater one can afford and enjoy.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited August 2011
    Doing your homework, knowledge, and common sense go a long way with making big ticket purchases.

    If you think it's a rip off, just don't purchase the item from that store & try to find it cheaper.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,598
    edited August 2011
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Doing your homework, knowledge, and common sense go a long way with making big ticket purchases.

    If you think it's a rip off, just don't purchase the item from that store & try to find it cheaper.

    The TV is worth it, but if the average consumer doesnt know its not hooked up correctly they could end up with a smaller TV for the same price. Thats a bit of a rip off...

    Then add in the "Oh these Monster cables are on sale from 69.99 for 39.99...you should buy a bunch", "Oh you really should have us install the wall mount its only an extra 100 dollars", etc..... and the average consumer is like a fish in a barrel if they dont do their homework (and lets be honest most dont...)

    I understand being a salesman (I was one at one point), but doing so by pushing inferior products with higher markups on consumers isnt the way to go. Advise them of why one product costs more and explain why its better and they might just spend the extra cash.....
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