Oil Spill on the Yellowstone River?

Erik Tracy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43619388/ns/us_news-environment/

Great...just great....

hockeyboy

We need a solution to clean up these ongoing oil slicks. Has to be some technology we can invent to solve the problem.

Erik Tracy

hockeyboy wrote: »

We need a solution to clean up these ongoing oil slicks. Has to be some technology we can invent to solve the problem.

Call me a pessimist, but I believe oil companies don't really care about the environment and if an 'incident' can be dealt with that still means $$ on the plus side, then it is still acceptable.

shack

Erik Tracy wrote: »

Call me a pessimist, but I believe oil companies don't really care about the environment and if an 'incident' can be dealt with that still means $$ on the plus side, then it is still acceptable.

I agree! As much money as the oil companies are making...they need to make damn sure these things don't happen. Like Erik said...it is easier (cheaper) to wait till it happens than to do the preventative on the front end. I am not usually for exorbitant penalties for businesses...but stuff like needs to have "incentives" to make sure they are kept to a minimum!

Erik Tracy

Maybe these are related?

3.5 earthquake last night just north of Billings (which is close to Laurel, MT)...then the oil spoil.....on a frickin' river.....

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/250_50.php
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/mb11948206.php


http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1144&bih=599&wrapid=tlif130965028683421&q=map+laurel,+montana&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x53488e41fe7c269f:0x6b0c62e624826a43,Laurel,+Mt&gl=us&ei=Y60PTp6FJo72swO4_4yYDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q8gEwAA

txcoastal1

Was watching a show last night about oil sands in Canada, where the largest dump trucks in the world...one load of oil sand worth 10K...so when you put things in perspective ...the loose a little give a little works for Big Oil

tonyb

First thing that comes to mind is that the pipe broke, not from neglegence, but erosion, supposedly. Second, if your going to run a pipe under a river, we have technology to make sure that it doesn't break. Of coarse an earthquake takes all bets off the table and that may wind up being the case. Before we jump on the evil oil company bandwaggon, we should wait for the real cause to come out.

Erik Tracy

tonyb wrote: »

First thing that comes to mind is that the pipe broke, not from neglegence, but erosion, supposedly. Second, if your going to run a pipe under a river, we have technology to make sure that it doesn't break. Of coarse an earthquake takes all bets off the table and that may wind up being the case. Before we jump on the evil oil company bandwaggon, we should wait for the real cause to come out.

Fair enough, but Exxon has a known penchant for spills that...ah...let us say...are more akin to Homer Simpson....

inspiredsports

It's an imperfect world. Get over it.

Anyone inclined to complain should simply stop using gasoline, plastic, electricity, etc.

Erik Tracy

inspiredsports wrote: »

It's an imperfect world. Get over it.

Anyone inclined to complain should simply stop using gasoline, plastic, electricity, etc.

Turn a blind eye....nice....

shack

inspiredsports wrote:

It's an imperfect world. Get over it.

Anyone inclined to complain should simply stop using gasoline, plastic, electricity, etc.

This is about the most asinine post I've seen here in a long time.

nooshinjohn

tonyb wrote: »

First thing that comes to mind is that the pipe broke, not from neglegence, but erosion, supposedly. Second, if your going to run a pipe under a river, we have technology to make sure that it doesn't break. Of coarse an earthquake takes all bets off the table and that may wind up being the case. Before we jump on the evil oil company bandwaggon, we should wait for the real cause to come out.

inspiredsports wrote: »

It's an imperfect world. Get over it.

Anyone inclined to complain should simply stop using gasoline, plastic, electricity, etc.

Agreed 100%

aviator

inspiredsports wrote: »

It's an imperfect world. Get over it.

Anyone inclined to complain should simply stop using gasoline, plastic, electricity, etc.

Ain't that the truth!

BIZILL

I happen to know everything there is to know about oil! I love oil. I love oil on pancakes. I love it on pizza. And I take oil and put a little bit in my hair when I've had a rough week. What do you think holds it up, slick?

BlueFox

It's an imperfect world. Get over it.

Anyone inclined to complain should simply stop using gasoline, plastic, electricity, etc.

So, you are saying anything is okay? There should not be any standards? We should not try to learn and improve? Personally, that seems to be a very short sighted attitude, but being short sighted is one of the current conservative attitudes. :rolleyes:

tonyb

C'mon gents....sh%t happens sometimes. I know Exxon isn't a boyscout in the oil world, but every incident isn't neglegence. Planes fall from the sky,trains derail, cars crash, boats sink, oil wells will leak, and pipes break, most the time from someone being asleep at the wheel of responsibility, but not always.

Also I'm willing to bet that the pipe was pretty old, not that it's an excuse but rather a fact of life. Everytime a gas pipe breaks in a residential neighborhood and blows up, is it because the gas company was to blame ? Or possibly the combination of old pipes,erosion,ground shifting ? Anyone who has any experience underground is familiar with the weight of dirt, classes of dirt, and how it moves.

Now, that said, for the life of me I can't figure out why we need to pump oil over such long distances and through prestine natural area's. It would make sense to avoid those area's if possible and I realize it may not always be possible. If we could actually look for oil in the shale of some states, wouldn't that help us in the long run and cut down on pumpiing oil over long distances ? Not to mention create some jobs too.

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

So, you are saying anything is okay? There should not be any standards? We should not try to learn and improve? Personally, that seems to be a very short sighted attitude, but being short sighted is one of the current conservative attitudes. :rolleyes:

True or not, your post is pretty frickin' funny seeing your from California where a short sighted attitude runs amuck.

txcoastal1

THIS GUY:eek::eek:




I'm sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocv5WdBmSok

I'm not sorry

:biggrin:

inspiredsports

BlueFox wrote: »

So, you are saying anything is okay? There should not be any standards? We should not try to learn and improve? Personally, that seems to be a very short sighted attitude, but being short sighted is one of the current conservative attitudes. :rolleyes:

No.There are standards and this kind of thing is rare.

Trillions of gallons of toxic s@#t that people demand flows around the world every year. The manufacturers of those gallons don't want to lose a single drop because there is a cost involved.

If any one of you complaining have ever accidentally spilled a few drops of gas on the ground at the gas pump, percentage-wise, you are a worse polluter than the industry.

If any one of you complaining use fertilizers, insect or weed spray on your lawn, a water softener, laundry detergent, a dishwasher, a furnace, car wash products, an automobile, etc., etc. that end up in our watercourses . . . you are hypocrites.

amulford

Erik Tracy wrote: »

Call me a pessimist, but I believe oil companies don't really care about the environment and if an 'incident' can be dealt with that still means $$ on the plus side, then it is still acceptable.

You are right to an extent. We don't really want for things such as this to happen. It costs us in more than one way. First we will be fined by the EPA/DEP/DNR , etc. Then we will have to pay for the cleanup. We also lose out to a LPO (lost profit opportunity).

It is all about money, though. The risks come with the turf...

BottomFeeder

shack wrote: »

This is about the most asinine post I've seen here in a long time.

Thumbs up.