$13k rack anyone?

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2011
    LOL...and here I thought it was kinda like a money symbol lol.... $
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    Larry, I bet you're already working on duplicating it!
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  • Gregfar
    Gregfar Posts: 2
    edited June 2011
    No one is making you buy the rack or even look at it. Those that want great music and can afford them will buy if that's what they want. It's the simple truth. Don't knock it until you try it. I have spent a lot of time and money building these. Thanks for pointing out I put the shelves on upside down...lol Oh well...Is this all you guys do is st around bashing other peoples work? Have fun. Cheers...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited June 2011
    No one made you come here to read this thread either.

    I'm curious, how many have you sold?

    Is the copper clear coated?
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,184
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    No one is making you buy the rack or even look at it.
    It's like a trainwreck...you can't help but look at it. As quoted in American Graffitti "what a waste of machinery (copper)." Actually all this harmless humor might garner a sale or two for you (not from me though).
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited June 2011
    Damn, that's pretty harsh.

    I think it looks good, the price is what left me speechless and I'm not a cheap person.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited June 2011
    I just might make something similer,some T6 aluminum (Anodized) or Steel (Powder Coated) Maybe a combination of the two with brass spikes..

    Just ordering the copper and brass for that unit would be pricey add in the machine time and waterjet cutting let alone programing time and you have a very expensive unit, with that said I still think the price is to high.. If I had the time at work to do a quick quote I would do so..
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    You guys are just looking at this thing as a hunk of copper. You seem to refuse to want to assign any value to the fact that "room acoustic anomalies are completely dissipated.". Jeesh, you guys are a bunch of cheapskates and can't spot an amazing deal when you see one!
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited June 2011
    Oh but the patina
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    No one is making you buy the rack or even look at it. Those that want great music and can afford them will buy if that's what they want. It's the simple truth. Don't knock it until you try it. I have spent a lot of time and money building these. Thanks for pointing out I put the shelves on upside down...lol Oh well...Is this all you guys do is st around bashing other peoples work? Have fun. Cheers...

    Nobody's bashing your work, at least not as far as the machining of your piece.

    But I am saying that you are peddling overpriced snake oil BS. How dare you claim that all room acoustic issues will go away if I use your $13,000 audio rack. I've got a room full of acoustic treatments - wall panels, corner traps, etc. I know what bad acoustics sound like in my tiny little listening room, and I know what a huge value good acoustic treatments add. And trust me, your rack ain't going to do it. So go take your BS elsewhere, because trust me, you ain't welcome here.

    And that's the first time I've ever used the word 's@#t' on this forum, and I've now used it three times in this post. That's how much people like you piss me off...
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    No one is making you buy the rack or even look at it. Those that want great music and can afford them will buy if that's what they want. It's the simple truth. Don't knock it until you try it. I have spent a lot of time and money building these. Thanks for pointing out I put the shelves on upside down...lol Oh well...Is this all you guys do is st around bashing other peoples work? Have fun. Cheers...

    Cheers, what a tool bag..

    I would love to see the scientific testing you did to prove that room acoustics would improve with your rack. You can't even assemble it correctly and you expect us to believe your BS.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited June 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    Damn, I was hoping this would be a thread about breast implants...

    I was hoping as well....in order to avoid confusion, the OP should have included the word 'audio' in the thread title.:biggrin:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited June 2011
    Has this been endorsed by Roger Russell? I've heard that racks don't make a difference and that their are no discernible differences between a wood rack and a copper rack.
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  • Gregfar
    Gregfar Posts: 2
    edited June 2011
    Snake oil BS?!? Buddy, you should not open your mouth or speak when you have no clue what you are talking about! I tell you what, You buy it. If it does not make a dramatic difference I will give you your money back and you keep it for scrap. The only time I have herd people talk crap about things is either they can't afford it or understand it. Witch one is it for you. If you don't like it, don't look at it. They sold yesterday within the first five hours and people wanting me to build two more. Go buy your wood rack. I'm sure you will both be very happy! Cheers and happy listening...
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited June 2011
    Yes, snake oil bulldung. Why don't you just list it as an accessory or nice rack without all of the unsubstantiated BS? If that were the case, you would not get the flack you are getting. I mean, come on. You sound as if you learned how to advertise from Machina Dynamica.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    Snake oil BS?!? Buddy, you should not open your mouth or speak when you have no clue what you are talking about! I tell you what, You buy it. If it does not make a dramatic difference I will give you your money back and you keep it for scrap. The only time I have herd people talk crap about things is either they can't afford it or understand it. Witch one is it for you. If you don't like it, don't look at it. They sold yesterday within the first five hours and people wanting me to build two more. Go buy your wood rack. I'm sure you will both be very happy! Cheers and happy listening...

    Do you have proof they make a dramatic difference other than looks?
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    Snake oil BS?!? Buddy, you should not open your mouth or speak when you have no clue what you are talking about! I tell you what, You buy it. If it does not make a dramatic difference I will give you your money back and you keep it for scrap. The only time I have herd people talk crap about things is either they can't afford it or understand it. Witch one is it for you. If you don't like it, don't look at it. They sold yesterday within the first five hours and people wanting me to build two more. Go buy your wood rack. I'm sure you will both be very happy! Cheers and happy listening...

    How about you go screw yourself and leave this forum now? You'll get nothing but hostility here and you have no chance of selling anything in the Polk forums. The fact that you found someone to scam proves nothing except that there's a sucker born every minute.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    No one is making you buy the rack or even look at it. Those that want great music and can afford them will buy if that's what they want. It's the simple truth. Don't knock it until you try it. I have spent a lot of time and money building these. Thanks for pointing out I put the shelves on upside down...lol Oh well...Is this all you guys do is st around bashing other peoples work? Have fun. Cheers...

    Thanks for dropping in, I actually like the rack very much! Another audiophile who let me audition his system had some very nice amp stands which were of similar design but did not have the build quality or nearly the mass of this one. As I remember his stands were somewhere between $3K and $4K each, one per monoblock. Sorry, can't remember the name. During the audition he placed the amps on the floor and we heard the magic disappear. They quickly went back on the racks. :smile:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited June 2011
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I know full well that racks can make or break a system. I was just razzing about the wood -vs- copper thing. I currently have an Elite metal and glass stand that made quite the difference. It's the way he advertises and the price tag associated. Good lord, there is a German rack manufacturer [the name escapes me right now] that makes some killer custom stands with floating isolation that would do just as much good for 1/4 the price and without the BS sales pitch.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I know full well that racks can make or break a system. I was just razzing about the wood -vs- copper thing. I currently have an Elite metal and glass stand that made quite the difference. It's the way he advertises and the price tag associated. Good lord, there is a German rack manufacturer [the name escapes me right now] that makes some killer custom stands with floating isolation that would do just as much good for 1/4 the price and without the BS sales pitch.

    Spoken like the wise man that you are. A rack can make a big difference, mainly with regard to it's vibration dampening and isolation, but also in terms of it's own reflectivity and resonance in the sound stage. I'm not questioning that it's a well crafted piece, it is from the looks of it in the photo. And I'm also not questioning that a rack is a piece of the puzzle that is the overall acoustic presentation of a hi-fi system.

    But to make the claim that simply using his rack is going to make any room in the house sound like bloody Carnegie Hall, all I need to do is fork out a lowly $13,000, is appalling. If he wants to charge $13,000 for his piece, then fine. This is America. Good for him. But at least be a man and justify your price by saying, "this is the most beautiful hand crafted piece that money can buy, you will not find a more exquisite work of art anywhere, let alone one made from pure copper."

    The minute he claimed that it fixes all room acoustics is where he earns himself an induction into the screw-you hall of shame.

    And as for the suggestion that I have no clue what I'm talking about, with 10 GIK acoustic panels in my dedicated 2-channel room, because I'm not blessed with his magic rack... Fella, take your 75 pounds of pure copper and shove it straight up your ****...
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited June 2011
    I just took 12 pre-1982 pennies (to ensure maxiumum copper content), drew a treble clef on them and placed them under all the feet of my CD player, pre amp and amp. What a difference! So much new detail in the music and tight bass. Makes me wonder if I've been wasting money on the XO upgrades, tubes and IC's?:tongue:
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    Snake oil BS?!? Buddy, you should not open your mouth or speak when you have no clue what you are talking about! I tell you what, You buy it. If it does not make a dramatic difference I will give you your money back and you keep it for scrap. The only time I have herd people talk crap about things is either they can't afford it or understand it. Witch one is it for you. If you don't like it, don't look at it. They sold yesterday within the first five hours and people wanting me to build two more. Go buy your wood rack. I'm sure you will both be very happy! Cheers and happy listening...

    but yet your audiogon ad shows its still there? They must have not used the buy it now feature. Or your just too cheap to pay your audiogon fees.

    Interesting, and please tell me how this will help fix a room. So someone that invests like 50K for a dedicated room could have saved like 37K and just bought a rack instead.

    That seems highly logical.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    You know what, this thread was fun when we were talking about this guy behind his back. Now that he's jumped on here, I feel like we're giving him more than the 15 minutes of fame he deserves. Let's just end this, as tempting as it is to continue to beat the dead horse. Jesse, not that I should be telling you what to do with your thread, but I don't like giving this guy a place to spew his BS. There I go again...
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    You know what, this thread was fun when we were talking about this guy behind his back. Now that he's jumped on here, I feel like we're giving him more than the 15 minutes of fame he deserves. Let's just end this, as tempting as it is to continue to beat the dead horse. Jesse, not that I should be telling you what to do with your thread, but I don't like giving this guy a place to spew his BS. There I go again...


    This is not a thread to be proud of, it should be deleted and we should be a little more tolerant of people who post on the forum in the future.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2011
    Madmax, he came in swinging even though he couldn't back anything up. We just made fun of something.

    Not our fault he couldn't stand the heat.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    madmax wrote: »
    This is not a thread to be proud of, it should be deleted and we should be a little more tolerant of people who post on the forum in the future.

    I've got a different swing on this, but in the interests of just ending this I'm not going to say what that is. Over and out as far as this thread goes.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,821
    edited June 2011
    Gregfar wrote: »
    Snake oil BS?!? Buddy, you should not open your mouth or speak when you have no clue what you are talking about! I tell you what, You buy it. If it does not make a dramatic difference I will give you your money back and you keep it for scrap. The only time I have herd people talk crap about things is either they can't afford it or understand it. Witch one is it for you. If you don't like it, don't look at it. They sold yesterday within the first five hours and people wanting me to build two more. Go buy your wood rack. I'm sure you will both be very happy! Cheers and happy listening...

    How is it that you can operate a piece of complex machinery to make such a lovely product yet you seem completely incapable of using a spell checker?

    Then again, some of your words are blatant mistakes that a spell checker would see as valid. It's your lackluster grasp of grammar that seems to be the culprit here. That then begs the question, how can you be capable of operating a complex piece of machinery to make such a lovely rack and still be incapable of proper use of the English language?


    Oh an I have a wood rack. I built it myself. I like it very much! Especially since it cost me less than $300 to build.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,730
    edited June 2011
    So let me get this straight: we are NOT required to purchase this ?
    If that's the case, is it too late to cancel my order ? :wink::smile:

    Hey, it definitely is very artistic and creative to be sure. You should be proud of your work. Straight up.

    And .... well ..... I was lying about having ordered one. I just made that up.
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