marantz ma 500 u capac. sources

scottyboy76

beefjerky got the 5 amps yesterday i sold him, unfortunately, one set of binding posts were damaged, in his email, he said he was pretty sure he could fix them, if not he would take it up with fedex, i hate that.

Also, the guy apparently knows more about capacitors and such than i do, like how to tell which is the capacitor in a circuit board.

He found one to be bulging and leaking,and figures others might not be far behind, has checked locally, not avail. locally because of their odd size and such.Replacing caps on older equip. seems to be second only to tube rolling as a diy project in the community.

They always performed flawlessly to my old relatively inexperienced ears,question is, if anyone wants to look up schematics and figure what is needed and where to get it,would help beef.

Again, he has yet to hook them up, but when they were in our house, they functioned fine, i assume he is looking to keep them that way well into the future.

FTGV

Is it one of the large filter cap's that is leaking?If so they are according to the schem. 10,000uf at 71V.71 volts is an odd ball voltage.Since the rails in that amp operate at just under 59volts a 63 volt cap would work but doesn't leave much of a safety margin.
I would suggest moving up to the next standard voltage of 80v (at 10,000uf).I would also suggest that the replcements have a 105 deg temp rating as these will have a longer service life than the standard 85deg. types.He will also need to check the dimensions of replacements to be sure they will fit.

Digi Key carries a number of brands that would be suitable such as Panasonic,UCC ,and Cornell.http://ca.digikey.com/?WT.term=digi+key&WT.campaign=1963&WT.source=google&WT.medium=cpc&WT.content=506002780&WT.srch=1&cshift_ck=61903A69-9468-47B5-8F67-446EFE60ED0Acs506002780

Mouser should also have somthing suitable.http://ca.mouser.com/Home.aspx?cm_mmc=google-_-ppc-_-brand&gclid=CPmFjI-1p6kCFQHsKgodhz4tvA

scottyboy76

thank you so much, i will pass this on to bj.

BeefJerky

Here is the situation with the amplifiers that I received from Scott. One of the amplifiers has a set of binding posts that was damaged in shipping. In that same amplifier, there are two bulging PSU filtering caps; one of them is actually leaking out electrolyte. I found this out after opening to see if the binding posts were easily repairable.

I used a flashlight to look inside the other 4 other amps and check the situation. There is one other amp that has a leaking PSU filtering cap, as well as two others that have bulging PSU capacitors that will start leaking at any moment. One amp looks to have good capacitors.

To sum it up:
1 amp has damaged binding posts and leaking PSU capacitors
1 amp has leaking PSU capacitors
2 amps have PSU capacitors that are bulging
1 amp seems to be in good condition

That means 4 amps are need of repair and 1 is good barring other issues. Note that I have not hooked any of these amps up yet. I have no problem testing the amp with the good capacitors, but I do not want to hook up the other amps to my speakers and risk damage.

I had paid for shipping insurance of $500 as stated in a PM dated 5/26/2011 at 2:23pm. However, Scott failed to purchase insurance so it is unlikely FedEx will help out in any way with the situation.

I have been doing some research, and it seems the circuit board in this model amp is very delicate, so I do not feel confident in repairing them myself. As such, I see two feasible options here:

1) Find a reputable repair center (preferable one experienced with Marantz products) and see if it is economically viable to have the 4 amps repaired. I don't think Scott was intentionally misleading so I am willing to split the cost of repair.

2) Send the amps back to Scott as-is. I am willing to eat the cost of shipping both ways, since I believe he is being honest when he says he was unaware of the issues.

I am providing pictures of the box, as well as the damaged binding posts and leaky capacitors. Since it seems that CP's photo uploading isn't working I have uploaded them to my Flickr account. The link is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58336743@N07/sets/72157626802112747/

Feel free to ask any further questions. Thanks!

scottyboy76

I bleieve we have two honest cp members, and three issues believe it or not.

(1)he did send an email telling amount he was sending and why.and, that some money would be included for ins.
380 for amps
60 for shipping, and
10 dollars for extra insulation and I was going to do pack. first time shipping
450 dollar total., no extra for ins.

from other cp members input i seeked out, 500 dollar insurance would not have been that much, I believe it was an oversight, were all human, would have paid it out of pocket if i had known how relatively inexpensive and eaten the price just as i ate the extra money to have the shipper do the packing job.

Between dealing with mother in laws funeral, wife in and out of hospital, and assumption that since no money was sent for insurance,buyer must have decided not to insure just as was his decision not to pay to have packing done at shipper,I did not recheck with buyer about insuring,wish i had.


(2) because of the above reasons, and fate,1 non insured amp was damaged, binding post repair cost can be split if given a reasonable price, which i trust beef to find, and relate back to me.

(3) To me, the real sticking point, until beefs pics, i could not have told you which of the components were the caps.have no experience with and never claimed to have, with circuitry,parts and pieces, repairs or upgrades.
Nothing was asked about the condition of each individual circuit board piece, I know nothing about electronic problems, troubleshooting or repair except anecdotal storys related here on cp.

No claims or guarantees were made regarding internal components, except they had produced perfectly reproduced sound in my experience since owning these pieces, never a blip, never a moments problem.

If old capacitors are claimable, with no prior discussion, why not checking transistors, diodes, factory solder joints that might be getting a bit long in the tooth,or maybe a little discolored, and then without inquiring or asking for some assurance or guarantee prior to buying, asking seller to help pay for fixing things that may not be to your liking but in no way have affected the previous owners experience with gear that was honestly related to prospective buyers.

I see no obligation whatsoever to refund or repair aging components that have never failed to perform for the use intended, and not inquired about, discussed prior to sale and certainly no claims made by seller.

Honestly, does this sound familiar?, are you replacing/upgrading capacitors on your speaks, electronics etc. you just bought from so and so on cp,since they are a little older, you might want to replace just to be sure, or to get a better sound quality.

Now how many times have you said or heard this/, now if you do decide you would like to replace them, make sure you ask the seller to pay half, even though it was never discussed or promised?

Sorry for being so wordy, but to summarize, will be glad to split a reasonable cost of binding post repair since each made mistakes of omission, no money for ins. sent by buyer, and no follow up inquiry by me before shipping, assuming he had changed his mind, and like paying for pro packing, was money he did not want to spend.

Iam not interested in buying back the amps, the only reason for buyer not hooking them up and using them, as stated by buyer, was caps not looking as he would like, maybe would be more suitable for lsis if brand new caps were bought and installed,with me paying half.

Now if older caps or other components could actually damage speakers, and had i been informed of this concern, would have been glad to send pics of any parts of gear and resumed sale discussion from there.

In fact, if anyone would like to see the inside of one of these amps, you can look it up in the thread titled something like (show me your ****(embly), its been one of the most popular threads on this site, where you open your gear up and let those who know what they are looking at, have a look at how things are built.And not long after acquiring these amps, thought i would show off the little bit of quality(not high end), but for me quality gear i had finally been able to afford.

That, to me does not seem like someone who had something to hide.

BeefJerky

Here is the quote from the PM that I am referred to in my prior post:
"Scott,

I will send you a Chase money order tomorrow morning via certified mail. USPS should deliver it the same time they normally deliver your mail. I probably will need a last name to include on the money order.

I will include an extra $10 for the foam, so that would be a total of $450.44. This is for the 5 monoblocks, FedEx shipping, insurance ($500) and packing supplies.

I plugged your ZIP code into the the FedEx site, and it says that this is the closest place for you to ship a FedEx package from:
http://www.themailboxco.net/
Let me know if that is close enough to you or not. The two issues I see with having them pick it up from your house are cost, and you would need an account to create a shipping label online.

Thanks!
Chris"

I did a calculation on FedEx's website to figure the shipping cost including insurance. I added in approximately 10 pounds of extra weight to account for packing material as well as knowing that estimates can be wrong. I sent enough to cover the shipping estimate with insurance, as well as $10 for the packing materials that he requested.

As far as packing goes, it was Scott's suggestion to pack himself, and I agreed to it. If he would've preferred to take it for professional packing, and stated so, I would've included extra money for that. As for not having enough to cover insurance, he should have contacted me since I did specifically request insurance. I would've been happy to cover the extra amount.

His description of the monoblocks are as follows:
"5 monoblocks have a little normal scuff or scratch here or there but perfectly presentable, all these components perform flawlessly."
and
"I dropped and dented the cover of one of the monos while preparing to put a pic on the cp forum "Show me your **** embly" or whatever its called, so i am knocking 20 bucks off it for the small dent in the top amp in the pic."

I was fully aware of the cosmetic damage, but I did expect fully working amp. The phrase "perform flawlessly" implies that the components will arrive in proper working order. Bulging and leaking capacitors does not fall under this description as far as I can tell.

As far as the binding posts go, I'm less concerned about those since I can fix those. It is the capacitors that are the major issue at hand.

His argument regarding discussions about replacing capacitors in speakers and other equipment are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Those are discussed in regards to upgrading components. That is not my goal here - I simply want properly working components.

I might understand this on a vintage or antique piece of equipment, however, these amps are no more than 13 years old. There's no reason that capacitors should be in this condition on a piece of equipment of this age. Something like this is due to either defective components or excessive heat arising from inadequate ventilation.

I stand by the two options that I suggested, as I feel they are more than fair to both parties. I will await others input on this matter.

Thanks!
Chris

megasat16

I am not taking anyone's side here but I think further investigation needs to confirm leaky capacitors.

The stuff that's stuck on the end of the capacitor seem to be some kind of glue or wax stain or just something else. Capacitors usually leak from underneath where the pins are located and you'll see traces of electrolytic chemicals on the PCB.

To confirm if there is any leaking caps, just turn on the amp with the outside covered removed (be careful not to touch anything when the amp is powered on). Upon power up the amp, wait a few minutes. If you smell rotten fish or egg or some pungent smell coming from the amp, it's most definitely one of the electrolytic caps is / are leaking. Turn the amp off and use a flash light to find if there is any chemical traces on the PCB near the electrolytic caps.

While bluging is an indication that the caps have gone through some extreme conditions (or factory defects), it's not a definite indicator that they needs to be replaced. Of course, replacing any bulging or non-bulging cap is always a good idea for safe and reliable operation but it's not a definite requirement.

Also, I don't think these bluging caps are from Power Supply Filter caps even though I can't say for sure from what I can see in the pictures. I think they are a bit too small to be main filter caps. They might be some caps for the Voltage Gain Stage and not main filter caps.

You want to get the binding post fixed before powering up that one. If it's broken and touching internally or to the chassis, you could further damage the amp. So, don't power it on without a thorough investigation on the binding posts.


Good Luck to both of you to get things sorted out!

BeefJerky

Megasat16,

When I get home this morning I will plug them in as you suggest. I've seen caps leak from both ends in the past. But, as you say, I need to confirm that it really is leaking versus some other gunk. I do find it odd that only two amps have that gunk, but I've seen stranger.

Once I've tested this, I will report back with my results. If it does turn out to be something other than leaking caps, I will fully rescind my complaints against the amps and Scott.

Thanks!
Chris

megasat16

Chris,

Once again, I am not taking anyone's side. I just though I could chime in a bit on the caps issue.

I've revised and added a few more thoughts to my previous post so I suggest you reread my previous post again. Also, don't turn on the damaged amp without looking closer at the binding post.

Good Luck!

James

BeefJerky

James,

I have already looked at the binding post, and it is still connected properly to the PCB. I will, however, confirm with a multimeter that the positive and negative aren't "touching."

As for the caps, these are the two biggest ones in the amplifier and right by the large power transformer. If these aren't the filter caps, I have no idea what they are. Looking at the service manual, each are connected between one of the two outputs of the rectifier and the 0v line. This leads me to believe they are filter caps, however, I am no electrician so I could be wrong.

Here's a picture that I found on the web showing a larger view of the amplifier so that you can see them in context. They are the two biggest caps located just to the left of the transformer.
http://muare1.vcmedia.vn/images/51/MarantzMA-500monoblock003_1273476423.jpg

Thanks!
Chris

scottyboy76

He did offer to buy insurance,when shipping and price of amps and 10 bucks for extra foam added up to amount he sent, i should have contacted him to make sure of his intent, which is why i have extended a hand, offering to help with the admittedly minor repair of damage from miscommunication about insurance.

As far as paying for pro packing, i still have all your correspondences, including the one of me asking if you would like to pay for professional packing instead of relying on my first and only packing attempt in my life, and your exact words, were, dont think so, that can get alittle pricey, as it turns out, after getting advice here on cp from people who had shippedelectronics before in an effort to do right by you,i ended up paying for a professional packing job anyway, instead of relying on my inexperienced effort, only 8 dollars more than the ten bucks you provided for the spray foam i was going to use, not a great expense, but still, evidence of my intentions, and certainly not a downgrade from my earnest but inexperienced efforts.

As far as the bigger issue of the caps, my description of performing flawlessly is dead on truthful and accurate.

never did their performance falter, give any audible or in any other user judgeable aspect give any possible reason for concern.

Never in my descriptions or claims, did i ever nor would i ever misrepresent that i in any way had or could check the individual components inside the units,because as i have repeatedly stated, i dont know anything about that aspect.

No questions were asked of me concerning the appearance of the internal components, or i would have taken pics of any parts you directed me to, in fact, as i have stated, months and months before ever putting them up for sale, i posted a pic of ones internals on cp on a thread where people much smarter than me like to take a look at how equip. is built, also, when i first purchased these units, i posted on cp, the story of seeing the ad many times on cl, along with other equip. the person was selling after redoing his ht.

Only after several views, did i notice what appeared to be monoblocks sitting there, contacted and bought from owners son.thereby telling the world i had bought these from someone else.

Again, no one asked if i was original owner when inquiring about the amps for sale, would have repeated they are second owner.

There are also pics right here on cp of my bedroom setup, and even a joke from someone about how i had stacked the three back there like jenga pieces, and my response that even though they ranvery cool as well as the avr, i liked to put one katty corner across the other two, so it got even more air flow, and there are pics here on cp of the remaining two,in living room a good foot away from anything else, and on top of cabinet, not even inside a cabinet.

Again, documented proof of how i treated these.

Also, interesting observation from someone who at least SEEMS to know alittle something, saying that your pic seemed to show what, admittedly from one photograph, more like wax or other more appropriate substance, and not cap secretions.

Just an observation based on one photo, but interesting, since the person making comment, by beefs own admission, has hooked up and auditioned these amps exactly the same amount of times as beef,(0).

While i understand possibly being afraid to hook up to nice lsis, because you stated that if the caps were leaky and bulged, they could damage your speakers( i honestly dont know), i believe i would at least hook up some old speaks and let them warm up, then you will find that they do not put out any rotten egg or sulfur smell, in fact no smell at all, and in all likelihood, will perform FLAWLESSLY, just as they did in our home.

But of course before you even try these amps out, you offered to let me buy my amps back at full selling price, after being shipped across country, never even being hooked up, packed up and shipped back across country with damaged binding posts, that i have repeatedly offered to pay a reasonable amount of money to hel[p fix.

Honestly, beef, I have been careful to show you respect and be honest with you and this community about whats transpired, and any honest mistakes made. Does This sound like a reasonable, fair shake from your end. One glance at parts that were never brought into question or inquired about before the sale, refusal to even listen to amps, and then to characterize my description of their performance in my home as some sort of misrepresentation of the internal parts and their condition?

I was selling gear with an accurate description of how well they had worked and their appearance.

In fact look up an earlier fs ad here on club polk, where i withdrew my offer to sell, not because of any performance issues, but because some members thought i may have been trying to provoke a bidding war, and one falsely accused me of not giving a price, which i had done.

I pmd the partys who had been talking to me about possibly purchasing these same amps and apologized for any inconvenience i may have inadvertently caused them, but i respected cp members enough and was concerned enough about how i was perceived to forego sure sales to quash any suspicions of sneaky or unethical behavior.

false or misleading descriptions, its all right here in the records, i will let anyone verify everything i have said and done in regards to this gear.

Good day

megasat16

Chris,

I can see better in the other picture. You are right. These must be the filter caps then. Their true size are a bit hideous in the first pictures I saw.

I hope you and Scott get this resolved to be a win-win for both of you two.

Keep us posted.

Cheers,
James

scottyboy76

He did offer to buy insurance,when shipping and price of amps and 10 bucks for extra foam added up to amount he sent, i should have contacted him to make sure of his intent, which is why i have extended a hand, offering to help with the admittedly minor repair of damage from miscommunication about insurance.

As far as paying for pro packing, i still have all your correspondences, including the one asking if you would like to pay for professional packing instead of relying on my first and only packing attempt in my life, and your exact words, were, dont think so, that can get alittle pricey, as it turns out, after getting advice here on cp from people who had shippedelectronics before in an effort to do right by you,i ended up paying for a professional packing job anyway, instead of relying on my inexperienced effort, only 8 dollars more than the ten bucks you provided for the spray foam i was going to use, not a great expense, but still, evidence of my intentions, and certainly not a downgrade from my earnest but inexperienced efforts.

As far as the bigger issue of the caps, my description of performing flawlessly is dead on truthful and accurate.

never did their performance falter, give any audible or in any other user judgeable aspect give any possible reason for concern.

Never in my descriptions or claims, did i ever nor would i ever misrepresent that i in any way had or could check the individual components inside the units,because as i have repeatedly stated, i dont know anything about that aspect.

No questions were asked of me concerning the appearance of the internal components, or i would have taken pics of any parts you directed me to, in fact, as i have stated, months and months before ever putting them up for sale, i posted a pic of ones internals on cp on a thread where people much smarter than me like to take a look at how equip. is built, also, when i first purchased these units, i posted on cp, the story of seeing the ad many times on cl, along with other equip. the person was selling after redoing his ht.

Only after several views, did i notice what appeared to be monoblocks sitting there, contacted and bought from owners son.thereby telling the world i had bought these from someone else.

Again, no one asked if i was original owner when inquiring about the amps for sale, would have repeated they are second owner.

There are also pics right here on cp of my bedroom setup, and even a joke from someone about how i had stacked the three back there like jenga pieces, and my response that even though they ranvery cool as well as the avr, i liked to put one katty corner across the other two, so it got even more air flow, and there are pics here oncl of the remaining two,in living room a good foot away from anything else, and on top of cabinet, not even inside a cabinet.

Again, documented proof of how i treated these.

Also, interesting observation from someone who at least SEEMS to know alittle something, saying that looked more like wax or other more appropriate substance, and not cap secretions.

Just an observation based on one photo, but interesting, since the person making comment, by beefs own admission, has hooked up and auditioned these amps exactly the same amount of times as beef,(0).

While i understand possibly being afraid to hook up to nice lsis, because you stated that if the caps were leaky and bulged, they could damage your speakers( i honestly dont know), i believe i would at least hook up some old speaks and let them warm up, then you will find that they do not put out any rotten egg or sulfur smell, in fact no smell at all, and in all likelihood, will perform FLAWLESSLY, just as they did in our home.

But of course before you even try these amps out, you offered to let me buy my amps back at full selling price, after being shipped across country, never even being hooked up, packed up and shipped back across country with damaged binding posts, that i have repeatedly offered to pay a reasonable amount of money to hel[p fix.

Honestly, beef, I have been careful to show you respect and be honest with you and this community about whats transpired, and any honest mistakes made. Does This sound like a reasonable, fair shake from your end. One glance at parts that were never brought into question or inquired about before the sale, refusal to even listen to amps, and then to characterize my description of their performance in my home as some sort of misrepresentation of the internal parts and their condition?

I was selling gear with an accurate description of how well they had worked and their appearance.

In fact look up an earlier fs ad here on club polk, where i withdrew my offer to sell, not because of any performance issues, but because some members thought i may have been trying to provoke a bidding war, and one falsely accused me of not giving a price, which i had done.

I pmd the partys who had been talking to me about possibly purchasing these same amps and apologized for any inconvenience i may have inadvertently caused them, but i respected cp members enough and was concerned enough about how i was perceived to forego sure sales to quash any suspicions of sneaky or unethical behavior.

false or misleading descriptions, its all right here in the records, i will let anyone verify everything i have said and done in regards to this gear.

Good day

megasat16

Scott and Chris,

Rantings aside; I think misunderstanding and miscommunications can complicate things. As things stand now, I think finding the middle ground and working out between you two to be win-win is the best recourse and maintaining the friendships.


Cheers,
James

scottyboy76

i agree mega, as long as no one intimates i was deceptive in my descriptions, even when my fs ad is right there as well as multiple pics of how they were set up in our home, as well as post saying they were bought from a previous owner, and even 2 or 3 pics of the guts of one, although the end of the blue cap cant be seen, obviously not trying to hide anything.

By the way, in the show me your assembly thread, my pics are no. 915.

Maybe if they are ever even plugged in, it could be a start to sorting this out.
Also, if you have trouble, like i did, finding the old assembly thread, a response to my request to help find it is new, i believe its in clubhouse.

i know about as much about navigating websites as i do spotting potential problems with the guts of electronic gear.

I would like to thank you megasat for trying to be helpful indealing with this situation.

george daniel

guys-- take it to pm's,,or better yet,,talk to each other via phone,,ask the mods to delete or lock the thread.

BeefJerky

@Scott and James:

First of all I would like to apologize for not doing more thorough testing and analysis prior to posting this. I did the testing per James' suggestions as well as testing the amps with a spare speaker. Here are the results:

Amp 1) Shipping damaged amp - I hammered out the back panel and put a new screw to hold the binding posts in place. Aside from a few small nicks in that area and the different looking screw, it looks quite good. I confirmed that there were no shorts and the connections are still intact on the board. However, there is no output at all from this amp, and the protection relay never clicks after powerup. I also confirmed that there is a rotten egg smell coming from the vicinity of the filter caps.

Amp 2) The other amp with "leaking" capacitor - I confirmed the rotten egg smell on this one as well. This one powered up and gave output to the speaker. I am still very concerned about the leaking cap.

Amp 3 and 4) These both have slightly bulging filter caps. They both also output to the test speaker.

Amp 5) This one doesn't seem to have any bulging caps and also outputs fine to the speaker.

Now for a few notes regarding this testing. Prior to testing any of the amps with a speaker, I hooked up a multimeter to make sure there was no stray AC voltage and no significant DC offset. All passed this test fine.

For the test speaker, I used a basic Polk R150 which is a simple easy-to-drive speaker. I have only tested at fairly low volumes due to the fact that a family member is still sleeping. I will happily test them on my LSi7's/LSiC (harder to drive) later on to confirm output at higher volume levels. I don't really expect any problems with this test.

I would also like to note one thing I didn't initially notice with the leaking caps, and can't really be seen in the pictures. The brown "gunk" is centered around where the two perforated vent lines cross. I can also see some beginning to come out of other parts of the long vent line and see it is visibly split open. I still don't see any leakage around the bottom of the caps. I broke out my "real" camera so that I could get a good closeup macro shot of what I am seeing in person. It came out much better and clearer than the earlier ones taken on my camera phone. The picture is available here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58336743@N07/5818241434/in/photostream

One other issue I would like to address is Scott's mentioning that he didn't intentionally mislead or attempt to deceive me. I completely agree! Nowhere did I claim otherwise, and I have specifically mentioned that I believe all this boils down to honest error. Nothing more, nothing less.

@George and others:

My primary purpose for posting here was to receive input on this from other members, including suggestions to resolve this. Both of us have discussed this in PM and both of us seem quite steadfast on our viewpoints. This is the reason that I would like to hear what others have to say. If other members believe that I am in the wrong, I will accept that. I will then apologize to Scott and move on. If they think otherwise, maybe Scott will then be open to further discussions in regards to a solution.

Thanks!
Chris

scottyboy76

let me know how much to fix binding post damaged in shipping.

Also, i will need to pm you regarding the caps, seeing as i now know what a CAP LOOKS LIKE.

In the future, if i sell items on craigslist,i will definitely have them reworked, rebuilt and brought up to modern standards,even if no buyer asks me to even checkcertain repair prone parts before purchasing.

Because, as is apparent, its seller beware, just relating the operating condition and flawless performance in buyers home, as well as answering any and all questions, and if asked, taking pics or providing any info asked for, is nowhere near enough,if someone buys older equip. and sees something that looks old, you will be upgrading his equipment, I just sincerely hope i dont end up losing money from our meager household budget because of upgrading others equip. remember this, everyone thinking of selling anything here.

By the way, I gave buyer my ph. no. before these items were even shipped, and a couple times since then, so he is free to call anytime.

BluBitRates

I would encourage phone conversation. By the way new caps would not be an upgrade. Faulty caps could affect the sound quality of the amp and eventually (probably sooner than later) functionality if they are leaking. Replacing the caps would be returning it to factory specs.

In the future you could sell items "as is but state the item has worked fine for you if that is the case". Also i never ship any item over $50 without insurance. I would refund sellers money before shipping if he did not send enough for insurance. This saves on the headaches. Believe me i have gone through similar headaches before and i hope you both can walk away with this feeling that the best actions were performed and neither of you got screwed.

george daniel

guys,, i would encourage ya'll to communicate with each other,,then,,if it cannot be worked out mutually,,then take it public.

scottyboy76

BluBitRates wrote: »

I would encourage phone conversation. By the way new caps would not be an upgrade. Faulty caps could affect the sound quality of the amp and eventually (probably sooner than later) functionality if they are leaking. Replacing the caps would be returning it to factory specs.

In the future you could sell items "as is but state the item has worked fine for you if that is the case". Also i never ship any item over $50 without insurance. I would refund sellers money before shipping if he did not send enough for insurance. This saves on the headaches. Believe me i have gone through similar headaches before and i hope you both can walk away with this feeling that the best actions were performed and neither of you got screwed.

if i had been asked anything about internal parts, and where to find those parts, because i know NOTHING about any of these things.

I would have provided pics, tested any way a prospective buyer asked before selling, but after the fact, with no prior questioning or promises except they have worked fine for us,to then asksomeone to bring a 10-12 year old piece of equipment "up to factory specs", in my modest opinion, is most def. an upgrade.

I will be gladly sending buyer 100 dollars in app. one week, to fix binding posts on damaged amp, 20 dollars more than he paid for entire amp, even though buyer did not send the few dollars extra for insurance, and i paid extra out of pocket to have it professionally wrapped by shipper.

Upgrading caps to factory specs on older equipment with no prior discussion at what buyer describes as a marantz authorized service center at 80 to 120 dollars an hour, i dont think so, this is his thread, he started to discuss this, so i do not feel i am wrong answering comments here as i feel he should feel free to do.

BeefJerky

I have sent Scott a PM with more information, including my phone number. I'm hoping we can get this worked out so that we are both happy with the end result.

Thanks!
Chris

scottyboy76

Hope it ends this, up to him.

BeefJerky

Scott and I have come to a mutual agreement which will put an end to this unfortunate situation. This should be fully completed by the end of this week, and I will post one final followup at that point to confirm it is finalized.

I fully acknowledge that I made mistakes, both before and after the sale. I should have asked more questions before the sale took place, which might have avoided this whole situation to begin with. Once I received the amps and discovered the leaking capacitors I should have done further testing and troubleshooting to determine the exact functional condition of each of the amps. Finally, I should have tried harder to work this out with Scott before bringing this into the public eye. For all these mistakes I apologize, both to Scott and to the rest of the CP members.

In the end, I honestly hope that Scott and I can put this situation behind us and remain amicable. I hold no animosity, and still believe that Scott was honest throughout. This was simply an unfortunate chain of events that should be coming to a close in the near future.

Thank you,
Chris

scottyboy76

i have and now admit if more experienced, i would have known insurance was only 1.25 per hundred and, just like my paying 8 bucks extra to have a pro shipper pack it, would gladly have footed the bill, however, dont know any way to have avoided expectations that i replace aging capacitors in used gear even though i never was asked about these and certainly never agreed to.

Doubt shipper would assume responsibility for capacitors normal aging process in PERFECTLY PERFORMING GEAR.

But then again, it was my first time shipping anything, never know what b.s. they may have fallen for.

Maybe next time.

I am done with this, i would appreciate no one bringing up this distasteful episode, and tempting me, because i really want to move on, life is too short.