not really new,but just telling

leftwinger57

Hi guys, yes it's me back again w/ the same freaking problem. My Onkyo died while pulling out THE MONSTER THX I-Cs. Now I've been warned and it is all my fault but trying to fix this w/o getting a pre is driving me nuts.First I hooked up my Adcom to the pre-outs of the Yamaha, it kinda worked but both systems were playing at the same time. A few of you guys suggested to go to 2-ch direct.Well I tried that and got the same reult and then Don said go for the pure setting ,where only the barest of minimum electrics is used and still I'm hearing the H/T Speakers. Finally after calling Yamaha and explaining this whole mess they told me if I was to use the Yamahas' pre-outs
w/an external amp I CAN NOT USE ANY OF MY FRONT SPEAKERS---what?
So for now after pulling this apart more times that I want to admit ,first thing I'm getting are bananas and now the 2- chl Infinty speakers are on zone 2 for the time being. I do apologise for this continueing saga,but I want my s@#t to work and work the way it was intented. Thanks for the advice and patience and hopefully this will be the last of this long drawn out saga......To be continued maybe....lw

treitz3

leftwinger57 wrote: »

Finally after calling Yamaha and explaining this whole mess they told me if I was to use the Yamahas' pre-outs
w/an external amp I CAN NOT USE ANY OF MY FRONT SPEAKERS

That makes no sense.

decal

No offense but, why don't you get some decent equipment? Seems like you have nothing but trouble with the stuff you have now.

olilugo

I also have to agree, with Treitz3. Sorry Leftwinger57 I just don't understand what you are trying to explain.
I would also venture to say, if this was the way you tried to explain your situation to Yamaha, I could see how they could have giving you an answer that was completely wrong for your situation.

Take a step back, and re-word what you are trying to accomplish, then tell us what seems to be the problem and hopefully someone here would be savvy enough to help you out. Good luck.

codyc1ark

Take a deep breath before you type a post LW, it runs on and on and is difficult to understand sometimes!

nwohlford

I am guessing from your description that you missed out on one part of the original advice about switching to 2-channel direct. (I forget who made the point and somehow can find the other post again.) The suggestions was to use the Infinity for the front speaker and remove the Klipsch from the front (i.e., the Infinity would be hooked up to the Adcom via the Yamaha preouts for the front channels and nothing would be hooked up to the front speaker posts). But as others have stated it is kind of hard to follow, so I could be completely wrong.

tonyb

Wow LW, you make it hard to decipher your posts. Lets start out with.....did you set up each input on the receiver ? Yes or no. Cd player should be connected to the cd input and you tell the receiver how many speakers to run on that input. Same with the dvd input. Front left and right preouts to the adcom, connect the infinitys up to the adcom. You have to move the klipsch out of the front right and left position and move them to a surround position, you can't have both in the front position from a single receiver no matter what you do.
Now if you somehow damaged the receivers preouts in all of this, then this is mute. The infintys, if you like for 2 channel, I'm sure will do a decent job for HT for you.

billbillw

Take a chill pill. Explain exactly what you are trying to accomplish, list each component, how they are connected, etc. Also, stop creating a new thread each time you post. You are basically writing the same thing over an over in new threads. The more threads you post, the more diluted your advice will be. Stick to one thread.

leftwinger57

alright guysI will try to explain as best as I no how. But first off there 's nothing wrong w/ either the Yamaha or Adcom so it was only the Onkyo pre that failed and I killed it. Now what I want to do is use the Yamaha as a pre and of course the Adcom as the pwr amp. All sources are in the right places .Hdmi 1 cd ,also analog rca to pick up 2nd cd,t.v. is run through optical av1.no blue ray no games and nothing else. Now I do have streaming radio going into audio1port and that works fine.Now for what does not work for me. I did try the setting of direct w/ the blue light coming on but still both systems are playing. My Infintys were never moved from the Adcom and now that seems to be a new rinkle in this whole story.As using zone 2 for seperateing systems this does work for me and I'm hearing the Infintys wailing away as I type right now. I do apolgise for the lack of communcation skills but truth be told as old as I 'am the whole computer age for what ever reason just past me by and lets just say I spent and wasted my cash on very bad things. Look I'm not asking for sympathy here but I do not think I can explain it any better .
Now if ther was some generous guy who lives close by and said let me take a look you welcomwe to come over...Cental Jersey .Guys you've been way more help then I say but unless I get another pre it looks like zone 2 is going to stay for a while...exhausted LW

billbillw

Well, you pretty much failed in trying to clear things up in that post.

I looked at your other thread and from what I can tell, your issue is that you can't listen to your Infinity speakers through the Adcom without the HT speakers playing at the same time.

I'm afraid that is a limitation of your receiver and frankly that is a common arrangement in many modern receivers. There usually isn't an A/B set of speaker outputs like the older ones had. If you had that, you could switch off the A speakers and listen through the adcom/infinity setup alone.

Your best bet with your current gear is to just disconnect the front R/L Klipsch speakers. Set the speakers to Large (full range) size, run the pre-out R/L fronts to the Adcom and then have them power the Infinitys. For HT, you would choose a surround mode (dolby/dts). For 2-ch, just use pure direct mode (or whatever Yamaha calls it) which will just give you front R/L output.

Chances are, the HT will sound better with the larger fronts powered by the Adcom anyway.

leftwinger57

Billbillw,Yes you are the the one who does understand even if a moron is trying to explain it . Like I said right now zone 2 on the Yamaha is doing the seperation duties and until I get some bananas I'm not messing w/ this again.I do like the idea of having the infiniys for fronts but of course the size of the room won't allow it. Thanks

olilugo

Oh I see.
I think I get it now, so here is the deal, the old AVR's used to have A/B speaker connections just like bill explained. The new AVR's only have A which means you can only connect one set of fron speakers.

It is true that you could use Zone 2 to control the second set of front spakers.

On the other hand, in your yamaha, there are pre-outs, which supposed to be use if you use an external amplifier. If you use these pre-outs then you should not be using the spaker connections on our AVR. instead the proper setup is AVR-> RCA cables(interconnets) connecting pre-outs to the RCA in in the ADCOM amplifier, then you the speaker wire and connect from the ADCOM to your speakers.

What some people do is to use the process I just describe to only amplify the front Left/Right spaker. If you have for example a center spaker plus front spakers, and you don't have an amplifier then you will connect the center speaker to the center speaker connection on the yamaha, and the front spakers to the pre-outs and then to the external amp as I just described.

Notice that all I describe is to either use the pre-outs(RCA) to go external amp or don't use the pre-outs(RCA), in which case you can use the spaker connections on the yamaha.


While it might be working that you are/were using the spaker connections and the pre-outs on the yamaha to connect 2 sets of front speakers this is definiety not desirable and probably pron to killing your yamaha. Instead as Bill pointed out connect one set of spakers to the AVR pre-ous -> amp -> speakers, and the other set of spakers AVR zone 2.

leftwinger57

My head is splitting, I at least cleaned up the rear of the Yamaha w/ set screw type bananas. Now if I can only concentrate and go step by step maybe this will all work out. I get now you can't use fronts w/the pre-outs.so what happenas to the H/T. i'm all messed up I need some tylenol and some one to show by the hand because it looks like I'm way to stupid for this.

billbillw

If you have them on bananas now, just unplug the front L/R when you want to hear music through your 2-ch amp/speakers. When you want HT, plug them back in and turn off the Adcom.

When listening to the Adcom/2-ch, you should have the recevier in pure direct as mentioned before. When you go back to HT, switch it back to Dolby Digital. That's about as good as its gonna get with the set of gear you have currently. Just save up and wait for a good deal on another vintage preamp. You could also try to repair your Onkyo. If the damage was just due to tight RCA plugs, then you just need to solder on new connectors.

apphd

Have you tried looking at the manual? Not being a smarta$$, just many manuals have diagrams of how to connect, some even have flow charts that might help you see it in your mind and help lower the stress.

leftwinger57

yeah I did read the manual.There was a definative note saying if you use an external amp and use the pre-outs DO NOT USE THE SPEAKER TERMINALS p16 right side.
now that I can easily unplug my fronts and do the converse when I want back into H/T ville now.
Billbillw, you were pretty much the one to wade through my bulls-t and talk me through this .I think I'll try all this tomorrow and not to bug you guys any more hopefully it will be the final update.
Oh yeah I did call to see what possibly the problem was that caused the ONKYO to die and it would cost 3x as much to even try to fix it than I got it for.

Glowrdr

I mentioned earlier, but have you tried using a different set of I/C's (other than the ones a friend gave you?) Quality is of no concern here, I would just want "a second opinion" aka another set of I/C's to verify that the jacks are actually messed up.

You never know, there could be an issue with the cables he sent you.

Hell - unlug your CD Player for a minute and use those red/white RCA's to test it out.

mdaudioguy

Dude, if you were close, I'd come over and spend an entire afternoon to help you get it right...

leftwinger57

thanks md al ittle to far . But thanks to all for your PATIENCE and advice .As soon as it gets to a decent tune playing hour the changes are a comeing. If this works I swear this will be the last at least of this nonsense you will ever hear.......LW

leftwinger57

WHOOPEE F-KING AEH IT WORKS .All of it works my neighbors split and I changed up exactly as most of you guys said and of course it WORKS. I can't tell you how good George Harrisons' ATMPASS album sounds.
the only thing the Yamha guy said that ws different was do not put it on pure direct because I'll lose all sound controls .I fogot how to change to large speakers but it's all good. I feel like if I was married my wife had just given birth.
Thanks again to all and may I apologise for being such a putz.......LW

apphd

Congrats. Don't worry bout it we've all been there. The more advanced the gear gets the more frustrating it can get as well. You miss one thing and you have so many different places to look for your error.

mdaudioguy

Congratulations! At this point, i have no idea what's going on here, but the point is, if you're happy, that's great!