Tuner and more power

finfan
finfan Posts: 35
edited June 2011 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
One of the problems I have had in the past when using home theater receivers is the built in tuners never sounded that great to me. When listening to the radio on the receivers the music never came in good. So after taking some advice I bought a separate tuner and tried listening to music through my receiver. However I still get a lot of static. Should I just listen to my tuner that is built in my receiver or do you think my cables should be upgraded to coaxial?


Also I was curious whats the cheapest way to get more power to my receiver? I am currently running a 5.1 speaker set up. My receiver sounds great but I was just curious if I could hook up an amp to get more power? It seems like all the new receivers want you to add more speakers for the power increase. I am not interested in hooking up more speakers. I enjoy the sound of my 5.1 system.
Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
Bluray Player - Playstation 3
Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    If FM/AM is of interest to you, seriously look into getting a proper antenna installed or mounted to bring in the stations better.

    I'm not sure what you mean by hooking up more speakers for more power. You don't get more power that way. If you want more power or a major change in your 5.1, look into a multiple-channel amplifier.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,064
    edited June 2011
    Better tuner ?? Get an older analog one. Your tuner may need some cleaning to get rid of the static or some servicing,up to you if it's worth it but normaly some deox on the controls would help. Sure, you could add an amp if you want,but more speakers won't make anything more powerful. Just the opposite actually.
    Aren't you using coax cable to hook up the tuner now ? Sorry dude, a tad confused on what your asking.
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  • eeagle
    eeagle Posts: 226
    edited June 2011
    Your Onkyo TX-NR807 is a great a great piece of gear as far as receivers go. If the integrated turner is not performing as you describe it is likely a signal issue that could be corrected with a better antenna.

    Truth is FM programming is not what it use to be; some even canned mp3 recordings. Depending on what you are listening to you may find the network streaming capabilities built into your receiver may be adequate and, although lower-fi, have less noise and better satisfaction than the turner provides.

    The Onkyo TX-NR807 is rated at 135W/ch which again is quite respectable for a receiver. It does have Pre-Outs which would allow you to use it as a Preamp/Tuner with a higher power amp of your choice.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited June 2011
    Welcome Finfan. Your receiver does have preouts so you can add a separate amp. I always recommend an amp of at least 200wpc @ 8ohms. Get a 5 channel amp, and be done with this particular upgrade.

    Good brands to buy new would be Outlaw Audio 7500 or Emotiva XPA-5. Or on the used market, check Audiogon for Parasound, Rotel, Sunfire, Adcom, Nad, B&K.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,141
    edited June 2011
    The record is skipping again.
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  • kappclark
    kappclark Posts: 136
    edited June 2011
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Welcome Finfan. Your receiver does have preouts so you can add a separate amp.
    Good brands to buy new would be Outlaw Audio 7500 or Emotiva XPA-5. Or on the used market, check Audiogon for Parasound, Rotel, Sunfire, Adcom, Nad, B&K.

    My HK 3380 is being used as preamp driving parasound amp..noticeable improvement in sound from the monitor 60's..
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    If FM/AM is of interest to you, seriously look into getting a proper antenna installed or mounted to bring in the stations better.

    I'm not sure what you mean by hooking up more speakers for more power. You don't get more power that way. If you want more power or a major change in your 5.1, look into a multiple-channel amplifier.


    What I mean by more power is if you wanted to upgrade your Onkyo receiver to the next one most of them have more power but its a 7.1 or 9.1 channel. Does that make sense? I am not interested in buying more speakers. I like my 5.1 set up.

    Maybe I will look at getting a better antenna and some coaxial cables.
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Welcome Finfan. Your receiver does have preouts so you can add a separate amp. I always recommend an amp of at least 200wpc @ 8ohms. Get a 5 channel amp, and be done with this particular upgrade.

    Good brands to buy new would be Outlaw Audio 7500 or Emotiva XPA-5. Or on the used market, check Audiogon for Parasound, Rotel, Sunfire, Adcom, Nad, B&K.


    If I get a 5 channel amp can I increase power to all my speakers when watching movies? So I need a multi channel amp right?

    Thanks a lot for the help.
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited June 2011
    Yes, having a powerful 5 channel amp will allow all your speakers to operate to their full potential, which they are not doing right now because the receiver simply doesn't have the power to give them. The vast majority of receivers don't have the capability of driving speakers to their full potential.

    If you are satisfied with all the bells & whistles that your receiver has, then there is no reason to get rid of it since it has the necessary preouts to get an amplifier. No point in spending money twice on another receiver for very little if any improvement in power.

    I recommend a 5 channel simply because again it saves money in the long run. I started out with a Parasound 1500A 2 channel, then added a Outlaw monoblock for my center, Finally, I got my hands on my Sunfire 5 channel 405wpc amp and now I'm happy and so are all of my speakers. So I try to tell people like you to just do it once & do it right then sit back & enjoy.

    This amp will stay with me through any other upgrades that I may do to my system in the future. And I will never go back to just running my speakers with a receiver alone again.
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Yes, having a powerful 5 channel amp will allow all your speakers to operate to their full potential, which they are not doing right now because the receiver simply doesn't have the power to give them. The vast majority of receivers don't have the capability of driving speakers to their full potential.

    If you are satisfied with all the bells & whistles that your receiver has, then there is no reason to get rid of it since it has the necessary preouts to get an amplifier. No point in spending money twice on another receiver for very little if any improvement in power.

    I recommend a 5 channel simply because again it saves money in the long run. I started out with a Parasound 1500A 2 channel, then added a Outlaw monoblock for my center, Finally, I got my hands on my Sunfire 5 channel 405wpc amp and now I'm happy and so are all of my speakers. So I try to tell people like you to just do it once & do it right then sit back & enjoy.

    This amp will stay with me through any other upgrades that I may do to my system in the future. And I will never go back to just running my speakers with a receiver alone again.

    Is Sunfire as good as Carver used to be? I am a huge fan of Carver. Years back I bought a display Carver amp and preamp at Circuit City. It was the best Amp I have ever heard to this day. I wished I would of never sold it on Ebay.

    So you suggest a Sunfire 5 channel amp?
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    I was looking at this amp but I can't find a dealer that sells online. Unfortunately there isn't a Sunfire dealer near me. Also I didn't see any speaker input for a sub on this amp.
    http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=4
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited June 2011
    Your sub should be self amplified, and only needs to be connected to your receiver. The five channels are for your two front speakers, your center channel, and your two rear speakers.

    I love my Sunfire & the one you posted would work great. At the time that I got mine, it was the only amp I could physically lift into place.
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Your sub should be self amplified, and only needs to be connected to your receiver. The five channels are for your two front speakers, your center channel, and your two rear speakers.

    I love my Sunfire & the one you posted would work great. At the time that I got mine, it was the only amp I could physically lift into place.


    I envy you - once you get a Sunfire (carver) there is no reason to look any further. You already reached the top of the mountain! Who knows maybe I will save my money and just buy the Sunfire receiver instead. I also found a Sub I like of theirs too.
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,141
    edited June 2011
    I envy you - once you get a Sunfire (carver) there is no reason to look any further. You already reached the top of the mountain!

    Hilarious.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,264
    edited June 2011
    finfan wrote: »
    I envy you - once you get a Sunfire (carver) there is no reason to look any further. You already reached the top of the mountain.
    F1nut wrote: »
    Hilarious.

    Oh, to be a noob again in this hobby. Ignorance can be bliss
    :tongue:

    H9
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Oh, to be a noob again in this hobby. Ignorance can be bliss
    :tongue:

    H9
    maybe you should take your own advice
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,264
    edited June 2011
    finfan wrote: »
    maybe you should take your own advice

    Ummmmmm.....yeah, there's no advice in my post, just an observation. Lighten up a little bit, just a little good natured ribbing. Sunfire is hardly the top of the mountain, atleast for many. There is a lot of gear beyond. If you choose to settle on Sunfire, it's a good choice, enjoy it. But, don't think it's the end of the line, far from it.

    Good luck on your audio journey.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Ummmmmm.....yeah, there's no advice in my post, just an observation. Lighten up a little bit, just a little good natured ribbing. Sunfire is hardly the top of the mountain, atleast for many. There is a lot of gear beyond. If you choose to settle on Sunfire, it's a good choice, enjoy it. But, don't think it's the end of the line, far from it.

    Good luck on your audio journey.

    H9


    I just think its funny that you have a quote in your signature but then you rip someone for their personal preference. I got a good chuckle out of that. I think you took what I said too literally. I am sure there are a lot of receivers better then Sunfire but I am a fan of Bob Carver's products. There are always people willing to spend more money thinking they are getting a better product.

    So whatever helps you sleep at night.
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,141
    edited June 2011
    There are always people willing to spend more money knowing they are getting a better product.

    Fixed it for ya. :biggrin:
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Fixed it for ya. :biggrin:


    Like I said - Whatever helps you sleep at night!
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,264
    edited June 2011
    finfan wrote: »

    So whatever helps you sleep at night.
    finfan wrote: »
    Like I said - Whatever helps you sleep at night!

    You have all the witty comments, don't you. Lighten up a little bit. I am not into receiver's anymore, haven't been for quite sometime. If you say there is no better receiver than Carver/Sunfire and you've tried all of them and compared all of them on the market, then I'll guess I'll take your word for it.

    Somehow I doubt that though.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You have all the witty comments, don't you. Lighten up a little bit. I am not into receiver's anymore, haven't been for quite sometime. If you say there is no better receiver than Carver/Sunfire and you've tried all of them and compared all of them on the market, then I'll guess I'll take your word for it.

    Somehow I doubt that though.

    H9

    Now I can see why you have over 15,000 posts! You must be one of those people that know it all. I never said that Sunfire was the best, even though I am a big fan of Bob Carver. I even explained that above but I guess you like to edit my comments to fit your point of view.

    Maybe you should go grab a Heini and relax.
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,141
    edited June 2011
    The entertainment factor just jumped to 9.5.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited June 2011
    finfan wrote: »
    I was looking at this amp but I can't find a dealer that sells online.
    http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=4
    I was under the impression Sunfire had folded up shop,or did Bob just depart from them?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,264
    edited June 2011
    finfan wrote: »
    Now I can see why you have over 15,000 posts! You must be one of those people that know it all. I never said that Sunfire was the best, even though I am a big fan of Bob Carver. I even explained that above but I guess you like to edit my comments to fit your point of view.

    Maybe you should go grab a Heini and relax.

    I'm trying to pick on you but I'll quote what you wrote so you can see you did in fact say Sunfire was the best.
    finfan wrote:
    once you get a Sunfire (carver) there is no reason to look any further. You already reached the top of the mountain!

    Maybe you didn't mean that, but I read it that way, I'm guessing a few others did as well.

    Anyway, Welcome to Club Polk......have fun, listen to tunes

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,391
    edited June 2011
    Finfan...its cool there will always be a little ribbing here

    Sunfire is a really good combo HT/Music amp when you start breaking down to just and music only system you will venture, into and sometimes not so costly equipment till you add it all up

    Have fun welcome to CP
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,264
    edited June 2011
    I meant trying NOT to pick on you in post #26
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited June 2011
    I think that's understood. It's all good, finfan...you've been around long enough to know how much give and take the boys dish out and absorb if you registered in 2002.

    Sunfire is fine...lots of Carver aficionados on this site. If you've been reading threads here...you know that.

    Put on some tunes and don't take anything personally. It's only web-talk!

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    I'm an high end AVR fan and wouldn't call Sunfire the best. I've owned a couple Sunfire pieces and will most likely not own another. However, the new lineup looks interesting so I can't say never....

    Finfan - If it's the best you've heard, that's awesome but don't presume it will fit the bill for everyone, nor is it the best AVR out there. It's a capable and feature rich product that's packaged very smartly by Sunfire.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • finfan
    finfan Posts: 35
    edited June 2011
    I am sure everyone has their own taste on what they think sound good. I am far from an audio expert but from the different receivers I have had in the past - the best sound was from an out of box buy Carver at Circuit City. I think some people get too caught up in what's popular and not what sounds good. (just my opinion)

    Any how its all good, maybe I made it sound that I thought Carver was the best. So that's my mistake.

    I have no problem taking criticism but be prepared to get some back afterwards. Peace!
    Receiver - Onkyo TX - NR807
    CD Player - Onkyo C-S5VL
    Bluray Player - Playstation 3
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX110
    Tuner - Yamaha TX-497
    Main Speakers - Polk Audio RT 2000I
    Center Speaker - Polk Audio CSI 400I
    Rear speakers - Polk Audio FX 500I
    10" Sub - Polk Audio PSW 450
    TV - Sony Bravia KDL-52XBR9
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