Audioquest King cobra - Signal flow arrows

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Beta
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Slight brain fade going on right now....

I am using AQ King Cobra RCA ICs to connect an amp pre-outs on an AVR. The arrows on the cables point towards the amp correct? Thanks.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited May 2011
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    The arrows follow the direction of the signal flow, so yes.
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  • Beta
    Beta Posts: 267
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    Thank you sir. Much appreciated!
  • niente
    niente Posts: 68
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    ok - i get the "arrow points in the direction of signal flow"

    BUT.. Good grief

    is this another "Cable/Wire" Mfg Hoo Haa / Urban Legend which really only=additional profit for them

    Or could there actually be a difference?
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,522
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    niente wrote: »
    ok - i get the "arrow points in the direction of signal flow"
    BUT.. Good grief
    is this another "Cable/Wire" Mfg Hoo Haa / Urban Legend which really only=additional profit for them
    Or could there actually be a difference?

    Do some research and find out why....
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  • niente
    niente Posts: 68
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    maybe i should have been more specific - but even some speaker wires have signal path arrows - which is a waste of ink to print the arrow as speaker wire isn't sheilded off the roll anyway
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
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    niente wrote: »
    ok - i get the "arrow points in the direction of signal flow"

    BUT.. Good grief

    is this another "Cable/Wire" Mfg Hoo Haa / Urban Legend which really only=additional profit for them

    Or could there actually be a difference?

    It's a couple things. One, not everyone knows about audio in the way you or I may and they need help via directions, user manuals or visual markings as to how you connect something.

    Secondly, for interconnects, it usually marks the point to which the cable is grounded and you want your interference or noise to go towards your grounded piece of equipment or the actual ground.

    I don't know of any manufacturer that charges extra for the arrow or marking of a cable. Waste of ink? You're not seriously worried about ink usage are you? For some manufacturers, the speaker wire directionality has to do with its geometry or their design. I can't speak for all of them nor do I care that much about it but you'll have to try cables for yourself. Their is far more cable voodoo than in anything else audio, without a doubt but it doesn't cost that much to determine that for yourself.
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  • niente
    niente Posts: 68
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    "far more cable voodoo than in anything else audio"

    Well said!!

    This thread caught my eye as i recently bought and installed Blue Jeans LC1 connects between my Amp and Recv - sound is a wow - reviews were great which steered me to them and cost was actually low compared to some cables out there.

    Which brings me back to the thread---no directional arrows on the BJ's......

    Would this indicate that there is not a "direction of sheilding on them"???

    Thanks for the input! and listening to my rant!
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
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    niente wrote: »
    Which brings me back to the thread---no directional arrows on the BJ's......

    Would this indicate that there is not a "direction of sheilding on them"???

    Not neccesarily. You would have to email BJC and ask them. They use Belden or Canare cables for most of their core cables, either of which is an excellent choice.
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  • niente
    niente Posts: 68
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    I called BJC - LC-1's are non directional
    Onkyo TX-SR804 receiver
    Parasound 5250
    LSI 15's
    LSI C
    LSI FX's
    PSW1000 Sub
    OPPO 93
    Sony CDP-C315 CD
    Monster AC line cond
    Audioquest, Blue Jeans & Monster wires/connects
    40" Sony Bravia XBR6
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,522
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    There's 2 reasons for directionality, 1 is fact, the other is "theory":

    1. FACT: The cable shield is only connected at one end of the cable. You want the cable oriented the correct way for the reasons Mark gave (passing on ground to reduce potential hum).
    2. THEORY: Direction is marked to go with the grain of the copper; and/or the direction the copper was drawn. This is thought (note the word thought) to improve audio quality. This would apply to a cable that either has no shield, or it is connected on both ends.

    Either case, if directionality is marked---USE IT.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,894
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    With Audioquest in the past I believe it (the arrow direction) mainly had to do with Steve's reason #2 above, 2. THEORY: Direction is marked to go with the grain of the copper; and/or the direction the copper was drawn. This is thought (note the word thought) to improve audio quality. This would apply to a cable that either has no shield, or it is connected on both ends.

    I believe I recently read somewhere that with recent improvements in the way copper is drawn, especially with the ultra-pure coppers like Audioquest's PSC+ (Perfect Surface Copper +), that directionality really shouldn't be an issue anymore (if it ever were to begin with).
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,522
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    There's so few grain "barriers" in PSC+ copper (.99998% purity I think) that direction is probably a moot point, but what the heck. You're absolutely correct about the AQ observation.
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