3D tv's suck

polkfarmboy

After spending a week with my 50 inch LG I have to say that the novelty has worn off big time and I already think I will get rid of it

I bought some 3d titles like under the sea 3d and grand canyon imax and a few others that were not native 3d and they all blow

Here's the problem I think, when you go into 3d mode the screen dims a little then you put a pair of 3d glasses on and everythings much too dim for daytime viewing . I bought the new motor storm 3d game for the ps3 and there are some levels where its dark with shadow detail that makes it hard to stay on course .I will down load the killzone 3 demo in 3d and try that but I dont feel happy

When the glasses are on you just cant ignore the flashing of the glasses and its really a buzz kill . It feels like your rapidly blinking your eyes and its much too hard to ignore but I havent experianced a sore head or anything yet .I dont know if its just my set or all of them but I will have to pursue somthing diff

50 inch is way to small for a 3d set I think and my only other option is the LG w5600 LED thats way brighter and it has the passive glasses . I spent a good deal of time viewing this set and everything seems way better and brighter. The 3d effect with the passive glasses is static looking with no flashes so you can really enjoy the 3d effect . The lg led with the passive glasses its double the price at $2200 so I'm still on the fence for a novelty, besides every video store I have went to does not stock 3d and I really am not the type of guy who watches a movie twice so I wont be buying any

Man I really wanted 3d to work but it just does not at all and I cant believe why there are so many reviews on the active glasses sets claiming that its a great experiance .Imagine some one rapidly turning your tv on and off 120 times a second and try relax and watch a tv show or movie

My plan was to buy this and still afford a 3d projector but this idea has been scrapped due to the nature of the active glasses .

I still have another option and I think I may persue it .If you buy 2 projectors that are not polarized like the sxrd models from sony or lcos from jvc then you can now add a device from optoma called a demoxifier for $350 each (you need two ). What the demox does is split the left and right signals up from a 3d movie via a 3d bdp thus sending a left image to one pj and the right image to the other pj . You can then buy 2 lens filter for peanuts that will match up with the reald 3d passive glasses at the cinema . If you can get a non polarized projector with frame interpolation then it will greatly enhance the 3d effect way better than the cinema can do plus you can be a few pixels out when overlapping the 2 projected images . This method gives you double the brightness and you save a whopping 80% of the light from each pj using the mentioned filters and glasses

apphd

You forgot the option of sticking with conventional TV and/or proj.
jk Too bad it's not living up to your expectations.

nguyendot

Well the glasses block out half the light, did you actually expect it to be just as bright as 2D? That's common sense there man.

cstmar01

I just bought a 3D panny Plasma VT series and have no problems with flashing ect on 3D material.

Thats been a problem of the 3D LED series TVs and from what I've seen on the plasma's they are a better match for 3D.

Then again I didn't buy my TV for 3D but for the 2D picture quality. 3D is just over hyped and honestly I think will be short lived until they can lose the glasses.

newrival

I like 3D

The glasses don't bother me.

And if the sun's out, I'm not likely to be sitting in front of the TV.

At ~$200 for the cost of admission, it's worth the money. And hockey in 3d is sick!
I haven't played any 3D games yet, but the idea sounds fun.

It's interesting that 3d games has taken on a new meaning than 15 years ago when it was used to distinguish the in game graphical experience. Man, I love technology

gdb

Jeez, I hate to be an "I told you so" but....... Get a Panasonic Plasma and call it a lesson learned.

polkfarmboy

cstmar01 wrote: »

I just bought a 3D panny Plasma VT series and have no problems with flashing ect on 3D material.

Thats been a problem of the 3D LED series TVs and from what I've seen on the plasma's they are a better match for 3D.

Then again I didn't buy my TV for 3D but for the 2D picture quality. 3D is just over hyped and honestly I think will be short lived until they can lose the glasses.

Thats a good point there, the led does have a problem with the refresh rates on the sets and causes the effect called ghosting where the 3d effect is out of phase .I will say that I never experienced ghosting on the LG plasma set even when gaming for a few hours

I know the brightness is cut but its alot with the active glasses and thats what I found cool about the LG w5600 . The LG passive set had way more brightness and punch to the image and although I saw no ghosting on that set I never got to demo a fast moving video game so who knows on that . The ghosting has me thinking twice about the LED

I did demo the panasonic alot and still noticed the flickering of the glasses and the brightness was still not up to par like the LED passive set was

jon s

it is a well known fact that 3D sets are dimmer when in 3D mode... Unfortunately, the buyer has to make a decision... LED sets can output more light to compensate for the reduce light output, but it has severe video crosstalk issues. Plasma sets are not as bad as LED sets for crosstalk but but cannot output enough light to overcome the dim image in 3D mode...

pdxfj

Get your set ISF calibrated or use one of the calibration discs if you don't want to spend the cash on a pro. Another option is to poke around AVS for the calibration numbers. I used Dnice's numbers (from AVS) on my Panny plasma and the picture quality is outstanding. So much that I have converted a number of die hard LCD fans over to Plasma with one movie viewing.

I'm hoping I can start work on my dedicated theater this winter and will likely go 3D using a JVC RS-50 projector.

polkfarmboy

pdxfj wrote: »

Get your set ISF calibrated or use one of the calibration discs if you don't want to spend the cash on a pro. Another option is to poke around AVS for the calibration numbers. I used Dnice's numbers (from AVS) on my Panny plasma and the picture quality is outstanding. So much that I have converted a number of die hard LCD fans over to Plasma with one movie viewing.

I'm hoping I can start work on my dedicated theater this winter and will likely go 3D using a JVC RS-50 projector.

I hope that rs50 is brighter than the rs40 for 3d mode because I was reading on projector reviews that art had the 40 setup for 3d and his friends ended up turning off alice in wonderland 3d because the image was too dim to make out

There is a fellow over on avs who used 2 jvc rs40 projectors with the demoxi's from optoma and made his own passive 3d pj and he put that on a black diamond screen and says he is blown away by how awesome it is

I am still on the fence with the plasma vs LED for 3d but your right about the non 3d outstanding picture a plasma produces . I did see that best buy is offering calibration for $199 and they had 2 plasma's side by side with one being calibrated and it didnt even look like the same tv . I can imagine how awesome your panny must look after a calibration . LG has some realy great thx 60 inch plasma's with internet and smart remotes (nintendo wii type point and click ) so if I do go plasma it may be the 60 inch LG pz750 thx

Sherardp

Every post here is relevent. 3D will drop off 20-30 percent brightness when in use. If you ask me I still don't think it's worth the price of admission. I'd rather spend money on an excellent 2D set then that crappy 3D stuff any day. If it's not on a larger set/screen, I personally won't bother. I agree with the other, grab yourself a nice Panasonic plasma and call it a day.

In regards to JVC projectors, I suggest you guys do your homework. There are tons of reports that these new 3D units drop around 30-40% lumen output in a very short amount of time. Some users are seeing the drop at 200 hrs or less. I was looking into the RS40 myself, but am now on the fence to see what happens this yr. If it's nothing major coming down the pipeline, I'll find a used RS25.

Cmiller

polkfarmboy wrote: »

Here's the problem I think, when you go into 3d mode the screen dims a little then you put a pair of 3d glasses on and everythings much too dim for daytime viewing . When the glasses are on you just cant ignore the flashing of the glasses and its really a buzz kill . It feels like your rapidly blinking your eyes and its much too hard to ignore but I havent experianced a sore head or anything yet .I dont know if its just my set or all of them but I will have to pursue somthing diff

Thats the samething i said to my girlfriend the other night while shopping for a 3D LCD @ Bestbuy...I hated how dark the picture was,and the glasses would "flash" as you say..The color on the 3D sets also blows for me..everything was dull compared to my Plasma..So i decided to wait another year and see how far 3D will come by then..

mdaudioguy

I took a peek at one through the demo glasses at BB last week. It looked pretty cool - a very sharp, 3D image. But for me, it's merely a novelty. I've no interest in watching an entire movie like that. The novelty wore off after about 15, maybe 30 seconds... One of the few "new" technologies I've ever walked away from in my life without thinking, "I'd like to have that someday."

mdaudioguy

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BWilberg266

I've been wanting to pick up a couple pairs of glasses and try out the 3D, but the more threads I read, I feel like I'd just be wasting money on the glasses. Am I wrong on this? I really want the 3D to be a viable option.

gdb

BWilberg266 wrote: »

I've been wanting to pick up a couple pairs of glasses and try out the 3D, but the more threads I read, I feel like I'd just be wasting money on the glasses. Am I wrong on this? I really want the 3D to be a viable option.

Wait and see what happens, this stuff is in it's infancy and still teething IMO.

polkfarmboy

BWilberg266 already has a Panasonic TC-P42GT25 3d tv and only wonders if his money will be squandered on glasses

I say go for it BWilberg266 as you dropped the coin for the tech so ya may as well utilise it . Search amazon for used compatible glasses and try it, if its not your thing then sell the specs

jbooker82

I dont have any problems with my 3D LG Plasma. I like it and would buy it again. It isnt like your actually forking out extra cash for 3d since it is becoming a standard option. Kind of like buying a new vehicle with power windows or AC. The place i bought my tv from even threw in 2 pairs of glasses.

Which modle LG did you have?

grif32

3D Tv's don't suck LOL, they still produce the best 2D PQ out there and will beat any none 3d TV in that category all day long.

Like I tell people 3d is just a bonus.

Something doesn't sound right with the LG. Imax under the sea is one of the most amazing 3D movies out there. It looks amazing on my TC-P50GT25. Fish feel like they literally come right out of the screen at you. I agree 50" might be a little small but you can still really enjoy it like we do.

Plasma is the best choice for 3D by far IMHO.

Flickering could be a battery going dead.

I haven't notice any flickering at all and not ghosting with my Panny 3D Glasses or My Xpand 103's.

Wish you could enjoy it more because it's truly amazing once everything is set up correctly.

3D gaming is also pretty awesome as well.

Good luck

grif32

Sherardp wrote: »

Every post here is relevent. 3D will drop off 20-30 percent brightness when in use. If you ask me I still don't think it's worth the price of admission. I'd rather spend money on an excellent 2D set then that crappy 3D stuff any day. If it's not on a larger set/screen, I personally won't bother. I agree with the other, grab yourself a nice Panasonic plasma and call it a day.

In regards to JVC projectors, I suggest you guys do your homework. There are tons of reports that these new 3D units drop around 30-40% lumen output in a very short amount of time. Some users are seeing the drop at 200 hrs or less. I was looking into the RS40 myself, but am now on the fence to see what happens this yr. If it's nothing major coming down the pipeline, I'll find a used RS25.

3D TV sets will produce a better 2D PQ then any 2D set out there. 3D is just a bonus.

3D gaming is where it's really at. Love 3d gaming, it takes gaming to another level.

Conradicles

I think they suck too.

Sherardp

grif32 wrote: »

3D TV sets will produce a better 2D PQ then any 2D set out there. 3D is just a bonus.

3D gaming is where it's really at. Love 3d gaming, it takes gaming to another level.

If you ever saw a Pioneer Plasma, you would never say the above. There are alot of 2D sets that will destroy a 3d tv any day.

PolkClyde

nguyendot wrote: »

well the glasses block out half the light, did you actually expect it to be just as bright as 2d? That's common sense there man.

ouch!!

grif32

Sherardp wrote: »

If you ever saw a Pioneer Plasma, you would never say the above. There are alot of 2D sets that will destroy a 3d tv any day.

I agree with the kuro and I should have stated current TV's BUT they no longer make kuro's so they don't belong in today's TV discussion. Talking current Technology.

Please show me one 2D set (current) that will destroy a 3D TV any day! Won't happen!

Top rated TV last year was what? You guessed it the TC-xxVT25 3D Panny Plasma tv.

If there are a lot of 2D sets that would destroy a 3D tv then why did that one last year as the top rated tv?

My bet is the VT30 will win again this year, oh by the way it's a 3D TV.