dcm time windows

scottyboy76

would have to be within 1.5 hour drive of north georgia mountains, because of disability, difficulty driving.

Must be in great cond. no speaker problems, due to the fact the sock cover is such a pain to remove to replace drivers.

Would pay a fair price or maybe a trade for some of my superfluous gear.

halo71

You unload them your TF's and having regrets?

scottyboy76

IN fact, just put the 400s on stands{very carefully}, in the bedroom surround system, and they are blending amazingly well with the polk cs350.

I might be holding onto those guys from now on.

Honestly, i thought of you when i heard those guys throwing sounds around the room.

I have to make some nightstand type stands for them, their design does not lend itself to balancing on regular speak stands.

Just resuming my search for some windows, or possibly, even som sevens, although exceedingly rare, they are supposed to be spectacular.

Hope all is well with you guys, The agora shop in athens still has the small dcm cx17s for about fifty bucks, after hearing them at jerrys, well worth a shot.

halo71

Scott you went to Agora? The last time I was there they had those little DCM bookshelves, which I passed over cause they looked so funky and I had never heard anything about them. But they also had some Time Windows and a pair of Time Frames. I think they where 600's. I was ready to buy them until I hooked them up to an old receiver and the tweeter was not working in one. And something was rattling around in the cabinet.

scottyboy76

just been seeing their cl ads, would love to live close enough to drop in from time to time.

miss the thrift stores in atlanta, ALOT.

Yeah as far as dcm stuff, since they use the socks, instead of grilles, i would be wary of any that have to be worked on.

Of course if it was garage stuff, or bachelor pad, maybe no big deal, although i have read the sock material is a part of the design affecting the sound.

Thats why i bit the bullet and paid 200 for the 400s, the guy had babyd them.

I passed up one pair of tws in n.c., because of the ride, a second perfect pair, i called about and he said he was watching the buyer drive off with them. selah

scottyboy76

Halo, see what i mean about the tf stands.

Still not as awesome as the winchester stand for one of my rear surrounds.

newrival

The TF600's were my favorite of the time frame line. I even liked them more than the tf1000's. Although I heard a pair of prototype tf2000's that were way impressive. Anything below the 500's I didnt care for. They had a couple good bookshelves: imagemasters, cx-17 and 27, macrophones (my favorite). The timePiece weren't very good with out the FullTime bass modules. Same goes for the HalfTimes for that matter. There was a weird speaker they made called the WindowFan, i think, that had 27 drivers in each. Pretty radical, but I only say it as it was out of commission. In my opinion, all of those pale in comparison to the TimeWindows. The originals were superb. Unbelievable performers. 1a was just as good but had the sound dials, but didn't feel they were worth an upgrade. 3's were pretty good too, aalthough I preferred the sound signature of the originals. The 5's were very nice, but the legendary TW7's were outstanding. I owned all of them except the 7's. They almost never come up for sale, and they still fetch a couple thousand dollars.

I also owned the equally rare TW^2 which was the most expensive outside of the 7's, and I feel second in performance only to the 7's. Little is known about them but I received some info from Steve Eberbach regarding my pair. They were around 14ohm nominally and 86db sensitivity and were paired with strapped dynakits for power. pretty interesting load. I think this is why there are some misconception of their quality. You need a LOT of power if you're using solid state. The best match I had was a pair of ADCOM GFA-555 originals that run 625W a piece in bridged mono. People have complained about running these amps in this configuration, but it's because they like >8ohm impedence from the speakers. The pair absolutely shined.

Sorry kinda shot off on that tangent. All that being said, I hope you find your TW's, they're a special speaker. especially for around the ~$200 they command

halo71

^ Great information. If I new I could find replacement speakers, parts etc. if need be. I might would go get those 600's I was talking about earlier.


Scott, how stable are those sitting on the stands?:eek:

FTGV

newrival wrote: »

The TF600's were my favorite of the time frame line. I even liked them more than the tf1000's. Although I heard a pair of prototype tf2000's that were way impressive. Anything below the 500's I didnt care for. They had a couple good bookshelves: imagemasters, cx-17 and 27, macrophones (my favorite). The timePiece weren't very good with out the FullTime bass modules. Same goes for the HalfTimes for that matter. There was a weird speaker they made called the WindowFan, i think, that had 27 drivers in each. Pretty radical, but I only say it as it was out of commission. In my opinion, all of those pale in comparison to the TimeWindows. The originals were superb. Unbelievable performers. 1a was just as good but had the sound dials, but didn't feel they were worth an upgrade. 3's were pretty good too, aalthough I preferred the sound signature of the originals. The 5's were very nice, but the legendary TW7's were outstanding. I owned all of them except the 7's. They almost never come up for sale, and they still fetch a couple thousand dollars.

I also owned the equally rare TW^2 which was the most expensive outside of the 7's, and I feel second in performance only to the 7's. Little is known about them but I received some info from Steve Eberbach regarding my pair. They were around 14ohm nominally and 86db sensitivity and were paired with strapped dynakits for power. pretty interesting load. I think this is why there are some misconception of their quality. You need a LOT of power if you're using solid state. The best match I had was a pair of ADCOM GFA-555 originals that run 625W a piece in bridged mono. People have complained about running these amps in this configuration, but it's because they like >8ohm impedence from the speakers. The pair absolutely shined.

Sorry kinda shot off on that tangent. All that being said, I hope you find your TW's, they're a special speaker. especially for around the ~$200 they command

Great info,while not as good as the TW3's I remember the QED's to be a musical sounding speak back in the day.

scottyboy76

thanks for info on dcm gear.

you cant beat first hand.

i believe halo should drag his but to agora and demand a better price, those speakers have been there forever.

halo71

I think the owner told me he would come down to $100 because of that issue with them. I ended up with some Kef's and Monitor 5's instead.

scottyboy76

one of you guys has a set, i know it, hand em over.

newrival

^^^^
ha! I sold my TW's to a good friend with a nice system so I can still hear them whenever I need my DCM fix

The QED's were pretty nice. Took me forever to find a pair. I actually owned 17 different models of DCM's in the course of 2 years and had my ears on about 25+. Sick, I know. But DCM's actually are responsible for my entrance into this hobby. Anyways, the QED's were very similar in sound to the imagemasters with a little more bass extension. The TimeWindows are great speakers though.

The sock actually isn't too hard to replace on the original TW's it doesn't actually go all the way around. There is a strip in the back where you slide this plastic u-channel over a ridge to sandwich the fabric down on two sides. The replacement fabric is actually still available. It's not the same due to discovering the original fabric was very flammable in several unfortunate circumstances.

newrival

scottyboy76 wrote: »

Halo, see what i mean about the tf stands.

Still not as awesome as the winchester stand for one of my rear surrounds.

Looks like you were playing jenga with those marantz monos.

scottyboy76

Go to your friends house when hes not home and get my speakers.

the monos dont cause any heat problems when they are sitting that way, none of the stuff gets really hot when using the monos, but even less when like that.

Seriously, keep your ear to the ground for me, there has been a serious drought since missing on the tws about a year ago.

I envy you being able to compare all those dcms.

Windowman

You still interested in a pair of DCM Time WIndows?

mgalbr22

i have a great working and looking pair of time window 3s with walnut caps and black socks. i also have the original pkg and can ship to you. let me know if you are interested. i can email pictures. planning to list them on ebay.

scottyboy76

Please do tell more, where are you, whatcha want for em, etc.

need good pics, and hopefully you take paypal, know some folks here or somethin before its time to talk payment, but im interested.

mgalbr22

i had seen your post in wanted to buy. that's why i sent you the message about my dcm tw 3s. seems they meet your requirements except they would have to be shipped. (don't have an estimate on the cost, but i can get it quickly if you have any interest.) i would probably not be interested in a trade since i am trying to lighten the load i already have from years of buying. never sold a thing until now!

mgalbr22

scottyboy76
posted another reply with info and pics. don't see it here. maybe the file was too big. will wait and see if it shows up.

mgalbr22

i'm in cincinnati. would take a reasonable offer plus freight. haven't been watching ebay sale prices, so don't know what that would be. can take paypal. let me know what you think. thanks
michael

mgalbr22

p.s. to previous message. they actually look a bit better now than in pics in previous msg. i lightly vacuumed off the dust from the black socks. they look even better! going to pick up some banana plugs today so i can give them a more thorough test. they sounded great yesterday.

scottyboy76

Okay, looks like you have a nice pair of tw3s.

Would love to own them

Here are the worrys.

Being fair to you as far as price, but also still being in right price range after shipping big speaks.

Second, no offense, but with you being this new and no history, Im sending money without knowing your ethics, ability to pack something like this etc., ups damaged one pair of 1as i bought off ebay and had to send them back.

I have an almost 400 dollar bid, with shipping, right now on ebay for some 1as.

Would definitely own both sets, and get rid of some other speaks, if we can work around other issues.

I know paypal can be helpful to buyers, not sure how much security it offers if your goods are not up to par, or damaged or whatever.

To be honest, i hope the price is very reasonable, for one reason,out of all the tw models, i have thought the least likely for me might be the threes because of the controls at the top rear.

seems like something to develop sound problems with oxidation and such, just a thought, not a deal killer or anything just a thought.

Also, have wondered if the controls ended up as an improvement over earlier designs, why were the controls not carried on to later models.

I know its a lot to bring up, but on my limited income, we are talking a lot of money.

Do you know someone from cp well who could vouch for you?

Also, any input or advice from other polkies on how to handle these concerns would be greatly appreciated.

Lets start with an idea of price, and shipping to 30555.

EndersShadow

scotty you have PM

mgalbr22

scottyboy
i understand your concerns, and will address them.
shipping would be 35.81/each for ups ground based on a quick online estimate. (the spec sheet i have lists the gross and net weights.) if approx 72.00 is a showstopper for you, just say so. i understand.
being totally honest with you, i am not an expert with regard to paypal. i have used it a few times to make payments, and have never had a problem. i have not yet used it as a seller, but i understand it is quite easy and convenient with only a small commission paid by the seller, which can be added to the price if agreed. in terms of seller protection, i can't speak to that since i have never had an issue with any purchases. i'm sure their policies are explained in detail on their website.
i was not aware of the addition and removal of the controls. frankly, i bought them new and just enjoyed the heck out of them for years. i didn't follow the evolution of the product. i used them until i went with a theater set-up in a smaller space. that's when i got polks all the way around. wanted the matching look and sound. i never messed a lot with the controls. with them all set to the "neutral" position, i found the sound to be fabulous. however, that may be source and amp dependent. if there were ever a problem with one of the controls, i would imagine it would be a pretty easy fix.
you asked for a reference on "cp". not sure what that is. i have never sold anything on ebay, only locally on craigslist, which i have used extensively in michigan, where i used to live, and ohio. i've worked in business (automotive) and real estate as an investor for years. if you wanted, i could have an officer at my bank contact you with a reference. just give me your email and/or tel. no.
it's difficult to put a price on these based on what i see on ebay at the moment, which does not include any tw3 speakers. most appear to be in very rough shape compared to mine. i do see that the "buy it now" dcm items range from 350-600. however, the ones that are listed are probably inferior in design, construction and condition.
based on the above, if you are interested, make me an offer and we can go from there.

scottyboy76

Thanks to entersshadow for the pm, and to mgalbr for all your qick responses.

BTW cp is club polk, was wondering if you knew someone here who could sorta chime in, but after thinkin about it, with this bunch, dont know if that would be a plus or negative.

THATS A JOKE EVERYBODY. I think the world of these guys and would trust any one whos well regarded here.

I was wondering if the 3s were bolted from the bottom with a nylon nut,like the 1as, so you can just pop them apart if you need to work on them?, or, if like my model 1s were glued together, since the curved back is actually a cardboard sonotube, i would not look forward to prying them apart.

By the way, i think with ten posts, you can send and receive pms, then we could exchange ph. nos and such.

also, what polk surround sound speaks did you go with?

mgalbr22

the tw3s have a nut on the bottom. pretty sure it is steel, not nylon.
i got my polk surrounds some time ago. i use them in my fam rm system. they are the fx 300i. i use them with rt800i and matching center. i also have a theater with the same set-up in front behind a perf screen and the side and rear are inwall b&w. it is a killer with a 140" diagonal, integra 2 infinity subs and oppo 3d blu-ray. the theater installer tried to sell me on much more expensive speakers, e.g. sonus faber, but i wanted to hear it with mine. works for me. had i had a matching dcm center, probably would have used those with tw3s.

scottyboy76

sounds awesome, someday, i will have a matching all polk ht, if you happen to be able to post a couple pics, it could get you closer to 10 posts.

If i am wrong about the no. of posts, some one correct me.

BTW, we used to vacation with relatives in elyria ohio, before heading up to other relatives in detroit, i still remember in detroit, no matter how hot in the day, at night you could just open the windows and sleep with no ac.

My uncle and his family lived in archie bunker type houses, and everybody worked either for a automaker or supplier.

That is, except for my aunts husband in elyria, who worked in maintenance in the gigantic federal prison there, still remember when we went with him deep into the bowels of that place, to show me where the bad boys went if they didnt straighten up.

Made a lasting impression, as did the flat countryside where they lived, we could bike all day without getting tired.

scottyboy76

thats good to hear about the nut, would make the decision a lot easier, by the way, what i meant was a metal nut with the nylon lining that would keep it from working its way loose.

I really think, one way or the other we will be able to work something out, sorry to make this into such a big deal, but this is a lot of money for us, but i do love the holographic soundstage from tws.

I willsay that based on what i have seen, i hope the low end of the range you quoted would be acceptable, thats what im able to afford and think its probably reasonable, its comforting to know you are the original owner, i dont suppose you would have original boxes or manuals, not a biggie, but would be neat.

Im going to the shop right now to check on a setten receiver i bought and sprayed down with contact cleaner, so i will be away for a little while, talk to you soon.

scott

mgalbr22

i do have the original boxes and packing, which would be used to ship. i also have all the original spec sheets, brochure and manual. i'm pretty anal in this regard. i just went through all the components i had in my closet, and they are all immaculate, with original boxes, remotes, manuals, etc. don't know if you'd have any interest in any of them. i have a cd player, dvd changer, cassette deck, hi-fi vcr, turntable, center speaker. a couple of them seem to need a tune-up or minor maintenance, but i don't have the time or capability to do it. i can provide specifics on any or all if you want. i took photos of all as i unpacked, checked out and repacked. would like for someone to get some use and fun out of them. they aren't worth big bucks, but i'd rather sell them than donate them since they would probably end up in some dumpster-although it works for me in terms of the charitable contribution.
how do we pm?! don't see it on this page.
thanks!

scottyboy76

I got your pm, responded to it.

I am blown away you still have original packing and manuals.

What kind of turntable do you have?