Pioneer SC35 Arrives Thursday!!!

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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited April 2011
    Grimster74 wrote: »
    Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!

    Going 3D?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,790
    edited April 2011
    Crank a speaker up on an underwhelmingly powered AVR...not likely that it's going to be a problem. (besides sounding crappy due to high levels of distortion) Crank a speaker up on an overwhelming supply of power with a speaker that can't handle the amount of power you are giving it, and you'll get a blown speaker.

    Nope. It's the high level of distortion (clipping) from an under powered amp/AVR that will cause damage to the speaker.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Grimster74
    Grimster74 Posts: 2,577
    edited April 2011
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Going 3D?
    Nah, receiver upstairs went **** up so when I started looking around I found a deal I couldn't pass up on the 37. BUT....... if the opportunity shows it's face it just means I'm one step closer.:biggrin:
    Money Talks, Mine says Goodbye Rob!!!!
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  • SRTer
    SRTer Posts: 372
    edited April 2011
    Im not going to argue,

    In Everything, there is a perfect balance. Do over do or under do anything as much as possible
    Fronts: Polk RTi A9
    Center: Polk CSI A6
    Rears: Polk RTi A7
    Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC-35 (140 watts x 7)
    Amplifier: Adcom GFA-555 Mk.II (200 watt @ 8 ohms)
    Sub: Polk DSW PRO 500 (10 inch, 200 Watt)
    TV: Samsung 59 inch 3D Plasma 600 Hz PN59D7000
    Sources: Samsung BD-D6700 3D Blu-ray Player, DirecTV, PS3, iPhone 4 and IPod Classic with Apple Lossless Tracks
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  • BWilberg266
    BWilberg266 Posts: 191
    edited April 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Nope. It's the high level of distortion (clipping) from an under powered amp/AVR that will cause damage to the speaker.

    Apparently I need to clarify. To quote Whoaru99 from a forum at AudioKarma:

    "Also, clipping isn't an immediate death sentence. It still has to generate enough extra power to thermal out the driver. For instance, you could drive a 10W amp to clipping all day long and it's probably not going to damage a driver rated for 50W continuous power because worst case the 10W amp will only deliver 20W at maximum clipping (3dB difference between peak to average ratio of sine wave vs square wave worst case)"

    And we all know that with all channels driven the AVR wattage ratings are quite bloated. So when you're dealing with a Sony AVR listed for 110 watts, it's probably more like 50 watts.

    Too much power = too much heat dispersion. Energy (vibration) = heat. And if it is above the rated levels for too long you can destroy your speakers. And regarding the low power doing damage, if you read my whole post you'll see that I state that if the low power supplied is 3x lower (give or take) the peaks caused by that distortion (clipping) will not bring that speaker into a dangerous level.

    Simply said I think that everyone throws around the low power statement without really explaining what it comes from and in what situations someone needs to be concerned.
    Main Setup
    Fronts - Energy RC-50's
    Center - Energy RC-LCR
    Rear - Energy RC-R's
    Subs - Gone...
    AVR - Pioneer SC-37
    Blu-Ray - Sony BDP-S360
    TV - Vizio E550I-B2
    Media Server - Mac Mini
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,790
    edited April 2011
    So, how about you drive that lower powered amp into clipping and see how long your tweeters last.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • WGDB
    WGDB Posts: 162
    edited April 2011
    Well fellows.... I spent the good part of this afternoon setting my new SC 35 up and needless to say I am impressed. Had the volume to -5 on one of my favorite Dire Strait songs... Sultans of Swing - the separation is crazy good, clarity exceptional. I Bi Amped the front Monitor 60's. Both front and back 40's held there own, PSW 125 needed a little fine tuning, it started humming across the hard wood floor at one point during Pink Floyd's "Money". Went through a few of my favorites list in particular the voice of Allison Krause has never sounded so good. I thought she was here in the room. My wife and daughter were totally impressed. It's going to take at least a month of Sundays to delve deep into all the different codecs/DSP etc. ICE is very nice......
    Pioneer Elite SC-35, Polk RTA (Real Time Array) 12's,
    Polk Monitor 40 surrounds, Polk CSiA4 Center,
    Polk PSW125, Sharp LC-46D62U,
    Panasonic DMP-BD85, Harmony One,
    iMac streaming an Apple TVII, or Squeezebox Touch
    Bedroom Rig~Sony STRDG-920, Polk Monitor 60 fronts, Polk RM6750 Satellites and Sub, Panasonic DMP-BD85
    Rabbit Hole Rig~Yamaha CA1010, Yamaha CT1010, Polk SDA 2A's, Teac A1500 R2R
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited April 2011
    Welcome and again enjoy. If you decide to try external amplification, try IceAmps. They too perform very well. I have a D-Sonic 1000S on my fronts and it is fantastic.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • WGDB
    WGDB Posts: 162
    edited April 2011
    Grimster74 wrote: »
    Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!

    Thanks Grimster, Nice... I almost pulled the trigger on the 37... - I bought the 35 on Ebay at about 40 percent off MSRP, from a reputable dealer with great sell reviews - and then added a Square Trade, 3 year warranty at time of purchase.
    Pioneer Elite SC-35, Polk RTA (Real Time Array) 12's,
    Polk Monitor 40 surrounds, Polk CSiA4 Center,
    Polk PSW125, Sharp LC-46D62U,
    Panasonic DMP-BD85, Harmony One,
    iMac streaming an Apple TVII, or Squeezebox Touch
    Bedroom Rig~Sony STRDG-920, Polk Monitor 60 fronts, Polk RM6750 Satellites and Sub, Panasonic DMP-BD85
    Rabbit Hole Rig~Yamaha CA1010, Yamaha CT1010, Polk SDA 2A's, Teac A1500 R2R
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  • WGDB
    WGDB Posts: 162
    edited April 2011
    Sherardp wrote: »
    Welcome and again enjoy. If you decide to try external amplification, try IceAmps. They too perform very well. I have a D-Sonic 1000S on my fronts and it is fantastic.

    Very nice setup you got there Sherardp, I'm no where near the level your on with your Home Theater system. Funny, I had already checked your forum pics out in the past. Sweet....
    Pioneer Elite SC-35, Polk RTA (Real Time Array) 12's,
    Polk Monitor 40 surrounds, Polk CSiA4 Center,
    Polk PSW125, Sharp LC-46D62U,
    Panasonic DMP-BD85, Harmony One,
    iMac streaming an Apple TVII, or Squeezebox Touch
    Bedroom Rig~Sony STRDG-920, Polk Monitor 60 fronts, Polk RM6750 Satellites and Sub, Panasonic DMP-BD85
    Rabbit Hole Rig~Yamaha CA1010, Yamaha CT1010, Polk SDA 2A's, Teac A1500 R2R
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  • WGDB
    WGDB Posts: 162
    edited April 2011
    Grimster74 wrote: »
    Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!

    Man.... Grimster.... You got some nice system going on there at your place....
    Pioneer Elite SC-35, Polk RTA (Real Time Array) 12's,
    Polk Monitor 40 surrounds, Polk CSiA4 Center,
    Polk PSW125, Sharp LC-46D62U,
    Panasonic DMP-BD85, Harmony One,
    iMac streaming an Apple TVII, or Squeezebox Touch
    Bedroom Rig~Sony STRDG-920, Polk Monitor 60 fronts, Polk RM6750 Satellites and Sub, Panasonic DMP-BD85
    Rabbit Hole Rig~Yamaha CA1010, Yamaha CT1010, Polk SDA 2A's, Teac A1500 R2R
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited April 2011
    Ice ice baby!!!!!! Very nice receiver you got there.
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  • BWilberg266
    BWilberg266 Posts: 191
    edited April 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    So, how about you drive that lower powered amp into clipping and see how long your tweeters last.

    Wasn't looking for an argument or putting out a challenge F1nut.

    My original purpose in saying anything was to caution the OP against over driving and damaging his speakers. Everyone always says there is nothing to worry about in using more power and I'm just trying to be helpful.

    This forum is not about low power/high power it's about his new SC-35, let's just drop this and be happy for the OP's new receiver which is undoubtedly a great AVR!

    Speaking of which what are your first impressions WGDB?
    Main Setup
    Fronts - Energy RC-50's
    Center - Energy RC-LCR
    Rear - Energy RC-R's
    Subs - Gone...
    AVR - Pioneer SC-37
    Blu-Ray - Sony BDP-S360
    TV - Vizio E550I-B2
    Media Server - Mac Mini
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  • SRTer
    SRTer Posts: 372
    edited April 2011
    WGDB wrote: »
    Well fellows.... I spent the good part of this afternoon setting my new SC 35 up and needless to say I am impressed. Had the volume to -5 on one of my favorite Dire Strait songs... Sultans of Swing - the separation is crazy good, clarity exceptional. I Bi Amped the front Monitor 60's. Both front and back 40's held there own, PSW 125 needed a little fine tuning, it started humming across the hard wood floor at one point during Pink Floyd's "Money". Went through a few of my favorites list in particular the voice of Allison Krause has never sounded so good. I thought she was here in the room. My wife and daughter were totally impressed. It's going to take at least a month of Sundays to delve deep into all the different codecs/DSP etc. ICE is very nice......

    Congrats, I know yoou would love the SC-35 just like I do.:biggrin:

    Did you do the auto cal with the mic yet?

    What are you speakers set to? (Large, Small)

    What's your EQ set? Freq levels

    (Here is why, the SC-35 MCACC can sometime send too much bass to the center channel if it's considered a LARGE speaker.)

    If you use iPods or an iPhone like I do, you need to turn off the Sound Retriever. Do this ONLY if you use Apple Lossless Tracks.
    Fronts: Polk RTi A9
    Center: Polk CSI A6
    Rears: Polk RTi A7
    Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC-35 (140 watts x 7)
    Amplifier: Adcom GFA-555 Mk.II (200 watt @ 8 ohms)
    Sub: Polk DSW PRO 500 (10 inch, 200 Watt)
    TV: Samsung 59 inch 3D Plasma 600 Hz PN59D7000
    Sources: Samsung BD-D6700 3D Blu-ray Player, DirecTV, PS3, iPhone 4 and IPod Classic with Apple Lossless Tracks
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  • WGDB
    WGDB Posts: 162
    edited April 2011
    SRTer wrote: »
    Congrats, I know yoou would love the SC-35 just like I do.:biggrin:

    Did you do the auto cal with the mic yet?

    What are you speakers set to? (Large, Small)

    What's your EQ set? Freq levels

    (Here is why, the SC-35 MCACC can sometime send too much bass to the center channel if it's considered a LARGE speaker.)

    If you use iPods or an iPhone like I do, you need to turn off the Sound Retriever. Do this ONLY if you use Apple Lossless Tracks.

    Full Auto Cal with the mic (Small) - I stream Apple Lossless files through both Squeezebox Touch and Apple TV.... I need to read the manual to find the the Sound Retriever. Haven't tried the Iphone connection yet.
    Pioneer Elite SC-35, Polk RTA (Real Time Array) 12's,
    Polk Monitor 40 surrounds, Polk CSiA4 Center,
    Polk PSW125, Sharp LC-46D62U,
    Panasonic DMP-BD85, Harmony One,
    iMac streaming an Apple TVII, or Squeezebox Touch
    Bedroom Rig~Sony STRDG-920, Polk Monitor 60 fronts, Polk RM6750 Satellites and Sub, Panasonic DMP-BD85
    Rabbit Hole Rig~Yamaha CA1010, Yamaha CT1010, Polk SDA 2A's, Teac A1500 R2R
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  • SRTer
    SRTer Posts: 372
    edited April 2011
    WGDB wrote: »
    Full Auto Cal with the mic (Small) - I stream Apple Lossless files through both Squeezebox Touch and Apple TV.... I need to read the manual to find the the Sound Retriever. Haven't tried the Iphone connection yet.

    Monitor 60's should be set to LARGE because they can play lower frequencies. Go in and manually change that in the program.

    Sound Retriver can be turned off from the Audio Parameter button on your remote.
    Fronts: Polk RTi A9
    Center: Polk CSI A6
    Rears: Polk RTi A7
    Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC-35 (140 watts x 7)
    Amplifier: Adcom GFA-555 Mk.II (200 watt @ 8 ohms)
    Sub: Polk DSW PRO 500 (10 inch, 200 Watt)
    TV: Samsung 59 inch 3D Plasma 600 Hz PN59D7000
    Sources: Samsung BD-D6700 3D Blu-ray Player, DirecTV, PS3, iPhone 4 and IPod Classic with Apple Lossless Tracks
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