Tyler Acoustic 7U Modification Thread

george daniel
george daniel Posts: 12,096
edited March 2013 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
As promised,,and in the flesh.The born on date of these puppies is 3-28-07,,thats 4 years in my book.After looking at Trey's mod thread,it got me thinking,so I pulled a driver and took a peek,,,hmmm,, Bennic electrolytics',,a Solen,,a Hovland in the tweeter circuit,with Eagle brand resistors in both sections.I thought to myself,,I should be able to do something here. After agonizing over which caps to use I settled on Clarity ESA series for the low/mid and the MR for the tweeter,,Mills resistors (12watt) replaced the 10 watt Eagles.The crossovers are PTP wired on a piece of particle board,,and the same for the tweeter circuit and glues to the interior walls of the cabinet.Removal was quite easy with a 3 inch putty knife/blade.Then a simple swap is all that it took for the crossover components.At this point,I might add that outboard crossovers did cross my mind,,but what the heck,,I'll just glue em' back in.Now,,they are in play,,how do they sound?,,,well,,the detail at low level is just simply amazing,,soundstage is wide and deep,,and the "tone" is just great.I always thought that the 7U's leaned on the bright side,, not anymore,,they are very "involving",,smooth and not bright by any stretch,,room filling to say the least.I'm burning them in at the moment,,and I gotta tell you that Shawn Mullins 9th Ward pickin parlor has never struck me,,until today,.There is so much "air" around the instruments,,involving,,indeed.I don't know how long the burn in is,,but so far,,I'm impressed.
JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    Wait till they burn in brotha - WORLD-FREAKING-CLASS speakers with those mods.

    Thanks for the write up!

    Throw some diffraction-be-gone on there to further improve your enjoyment!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited April 2011
    Looks great George!!! :smile:

    Shawn Mullins.... haven't heard that name since... a decade ago. :tongue:
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,092
    edited April 2011
    Good job George! What are you powering those with?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2011
    Very nice George! I'm glad I was able to push you over the edge. :biggrin:
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Conradicles wrote: »
    Good job George! What are you powering those with?

    Quicksilver GLA 40 watt tuber--I've got some treasures(6CA7's),that I have been waiting to put in her--but now I suppose that I'll let the caps burn in--what the heck--might as well pop the tubes in,,patience was never one of my better virtues.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Face wrote: »
    Very nice George! I'm glad I was able to push you over the edge. :biggrin:

    Oh,, you pushed me over the edge alright,,but you are correctumendo about the ESA's in the low pass --they are that good.Thank you sir. :smile:

    Oh yeah-- the bass is fantastic-- and the vocals,,man,,the vocals.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited April 2011
    I really want to make the upgrade to my 7u's! But I dont know where to start.. lol
    Im not really familiar with the specifications of the crossovers. And I never messed with a soldering gun. Although I do have one. What type of glue did you use to put them back in? How long did it take to perform the operation????

    Sorry for the basic questions but im inexperienced with crossovers. So far the extent of my audio hobby has been swapping gear, cables, and listening...
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    bopicasso wrote: »
    I really want to make the upgrade to my 7u's! But I dont know where to start.. lol
    Im not really familiar with the specifications of the crossovers. And I never messed with a soldering gun. Although I do have one. What type of glue did you use to put them back in? How long did it take to perform the operation????

    Sorry for the basic questions but im inexperienced with crossovers. So far the extent of my audio hobby has been swapping gear, cables, and listening...

    I knew nothing about them until I took a peek--it's really not that difficult--I hot glued the caps to the board,and the board to the inside of the cabinet.It took me abot 8-10 hours to complete the project--well worthwhile ,just my two cents.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    Man that is awesome!

    I honestly think you would find an improvement going external - getting those parts away from those woofers.

    But thats just me! lol

    That is great though - I am glad you like the results!

    I really am enjoying my Super Towers and I have started on my other Taylo speaker too.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    Hey George
    Did you keep your Eagle resistors?

    If so - wanna send em my way? Ill pay ya freight and what ya want from em :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Lemme look-- I think that I threw them away.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    more pics--just in case anyone needs em--these are not the tweeter board--I-ll look around for them.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    Ill totally take them.

    I was really impressed with them in my super towers!

    :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited April 2011
    Nice upgrade George,I see Mike has now sucessfully evangelized the deep south with his Clarity message.:wink::biggrin:


    btw.Tyler certainly build some nice looking boxes and stuff them with some very good drivers.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Yep Fred,,everything is pretty darn good,except the quality of the caps in the crossovers,,will the new caps make a profound difference,,I hope so,,so far so good though,,time will tell.:smile:
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2011
    FTGV wrote: »
    Nice upgrade George,I see Mike has now sucessfully evangelized the deep south with his Clarity message.:wink::biggrin:
    Too bad those Eskimos up north are so stubborn. :biggrin:
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited April 2011
    Face wrote: »
    Too bad those Eskimos up north are so stubborn. :biggrin:
    Thats because some of them prefer to use these.:tongue:http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM4562.pdf

    Actually I may break down purchase a sampling for an upcoming project.:smile:
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Just an update; did a little listening today, caps seem to burning in nicely-- the highs are just out of this world good,,organic with sparkle is the best way that i can describe it.The soundstage is wide and deep,but the instruments seem better placed/defined--and the vocals are --well to me they are cleaer,focused,,for example acoustic folk such as Baez,S Mullins,, puts them right there in the room,,sittin' on a chair and playin'the guitar,,,one thing did pop up,,and that was a banjo--damn,, I could hear his fingers move up and down the strings,,and actually hear them being picked--just sounded so real. All for now--enough of my babble.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    George I am glad you are digging them man...

    I think the combo of mods you did + diffraction be gone is what I would consider the end all be all of mods!

    Too cool
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    I had the DBG on my Taylos Monitors--I'll go ahead and pm Jim
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    It makes a world of difference. Really cleans up the high end IMO
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Well,, how bout' an update-- still burning in,,the treble is amazing with the MR cap--stringed instruments are very very good. Much more "detail",,certainly no harshness an overall "cleaner" sound.. I'm gonna' move em' today and put more tube power to them with the Quicksilver M-80's,,should be innaresting.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,746
    edited April 2011
    Thats awesome George!

    Have you tried it with DBG?

    I will have my Taylo Reference speakers done soon and I am expecting a huge difference.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,145
    edited April 2011
    So I take it you are glad you did the mods? :biggrin:

    Not quite the same speaker, huh?
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Thats awesome George!

    Have you tried it with DBG?

    I will have my Taylo Reference speakers done soon and I am expecting a huge difference.

    Thanks for reminding me--I have to get the dimensioens to Jim--and yes--it is an entirely new speaker--much more open,,soundstage-instruments are well outside the speakers--much more defined/placement--and the highs are not edgy--they are clearer,but don't have the (what I call) anxiety/fatigue--more relaxed,,,hmmmm,,, sounds like I gave em' a Xanax---I really want to hear them with more tube power,,I'll do that tonight/tomorrow,, for some reason,I'm thinking solid state amp,,oh yeah--found a re-clocked--upgraded output caps Jolida in good condition for 525-- has blackgates--etc--should have it Mon--can't wait to try it with them.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited April 2011
    Put the treasures in yet ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    tonight they go in.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited April 2011
    kewl ! Nice tweaks on the TA's BTW.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2011
    a bit off topic,,but I got the Treasures in,,a few pics
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited April 2011
    What's the deal with those big rocks in next to the amp?
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