avr gets hot needs fan
leftwinger57
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Hi guys, Back again with a relevant question that perhaps could save my Yamaha rx-v665. On cetain times I do push the amp and when I touch the vented top it's pretty freakin hot. Now I know the larger pure power amps have fans built in and either run continuously or trip via thermal temps.What I want is a slimline black fan to plug in and run constantly. There has got to be such a fan available for the common consumer.Again I'm not a head banger but just when it gets rocking the amp clipps. Yes I know it's supposed to do that but still is there a remedy for Mr.Fanless.
On a totally different subject I did get streaming audio from puter to the Yamaha w/ no humm or noise whatsoever, so 1 problem down and a minor 1 to go. Thanksagain.....LW
On a totally different subject I did get streaming audio from puter to the Yamaha w/ no humm or noise whatsoever, so 1 problem down and a minor 1 to go. Thanksagain.....LW
2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
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leftwinger57 wrote: »Hi guys, Back again with a relevant question that perhaps could save my Yamaha rx-v665. On cetain times I do push the amp and when I touch the vented top it's pretty freakin hot. Now I know the larger pure power amps have fans built in and either run continuously or trip via thermal temps.What I want is a slimline black fan to plug in and run constantly. There has got to be such a fan available for the common consumer.Again I'm not a head banger but just when it gets rocking the amp clipps. Yes I know it's supposed to do that but still is there a remedy for Mr.Fanless.
On a totally different subject I did get streaming audio from puter to the Yamaha w/ no humm or noise whatsoever, so 1 problem down and a minor 1 to go. Thanksagain.....LW
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They have a kit that allows you to run 2 120mm fans on top your AVR and help get rid of heat fast."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
A fan is not going to help you play the music louder. You are at the limit of what your AVR can do, if it is not good enough, you need to buy a separate amp.
Oh yeah.......no amp worth a squat has a fan in it.Political Correctness'.........defined
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^agreed.
I just skimmed the thread and read the AVR was getting hot and he wanted to keep it cool (or so I thought).
If the amp is clipping keeping it cooler wont help. If however your worried about burning out your AVR due to heat, those coolers will help a bunch"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Clipping on the amp is a major concern. I would look at getting a separate amp in the near future. In regards to the heat, I have seen some people use the laptop cooling pads for their AVR. This is a really cheap way to get some air flow.Front - RTiA5's
Rear - RTiA3's
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packetjones wrote: »Clipping on the amp is a major concern. I would look at getting a separate amp in the near future. In regards to the heat, I have seen some people use the laptop cooling pads for their AVR. This is a really cheap way to get some air flow.
Interesting. Most laptop coolers draw air down and then out, so it would only work mounted at the bottom.
I know Antec makes a cooler just for AV gear, but I have heard it doesnt work exactly the best for the cash you put down on it."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
What Jesse said or turn it down.I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
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EndersShadow wrote: »Interesting. Most laptop coolers draw air down and then out, so it would only work mounted at the bottom.
I know Antec makes a cooler just for AV gear, but I have heard it doesnt work exactly the best for the cash you put down on it.
The ones i have seen talk about it placed it upside down on top of the unit. They plugged it into the outlet on the back of the AVR so it came on when the AVR was powered on.Front - RTiA5's
Rear - RTiA3's
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packetjones wrote: »The ones i have seen talk about it placed it upside down on top of the unit. They plugged it into the outlet on the back of the AVR so it came on when the AVR was powered on.
LOL...that would make total sense lol.....and its a pretty smart idea.
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LOL...only thing ghetto I have done is get my Dad (who's a chemist by trade) to get me a bunch of like 1 inch tall x 3 inch diameter rubber stoppers from test tubes and whatnot and used those as noise isolators/spacers for my gear :biggrin:"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Parasound makes a nice little fan that would probably work. Audio Advisor has 'em.Mains - LSi9's
Center - LSiC
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I have a small fan on top of my SONY ES 5300, this receiver never ran hot, however with this tiny fan its barely warm ........................Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300,: Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 55inchXBR 930D Sony BDP 790 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960:cool:SONY BDP550
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I have a small fan on top of my SONY ES 5300, this receiver never ran hot, however with this tiny fan its barely warm ........................
That ES is pretty beefy. Your situation is more so an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The way I take the OP, he's pushing his avr too hard, not so sure a fan can cure that.HT SYSTEM-
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My thoughts exactly, ounce of prevention on $1100.00 dollar AVR works for me......................................................Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300,: Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 55inchXBR 930D Sony BDP 790 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960:cool:SONY BDP550
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I have this avr, seriously, as others have said, turn it down.. this avr should not be getting hot unless you are turning it up way too loud. If you really feel you need to turn it up loud enough to clip this avr, then add a separate amp to it with higher power ratings, as this avr does have preouts.Main 2ch -
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There are a number of AVRs designed to run 'hot'. The most infamous is Onkyo--I've never seen one run cool, even at moderate volumes. My TXSR-805 runs, according, to independent tests, at 136 degrees F. or more at normal operating levels! It has two built in fans on either side of its monster transformer. But as I understand it, the fans ONLY turn on in case of a meltdown well above the 136 degree figure. I've NEVER heard them turn ON!
But you do have to give them a lot of BREATHING room. Nothing on top, no enclosed cabinets, etc.
Onkyo, when queried about this...claims that they design their AVRs to be able to run a bit HOT, not to worry--that won't cause failure! So far, fingers crossed, and two years later--this seems to be true. Of course a fan, probably wouldn't hurt. But, as Jesse, implies, they ADD NOISE!
And if I remember correctly, F1nut once said, that an amp that doesn't get HOT is not worth a damn. lol
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I use a couple of these units. One atop both my AVR and power amp. They run 24/7, seem to do a good job and look nice as well. I use the lower of two speed settings and have never had noise issues with them. I beliee I purchased thru Amazon.
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NTE=Marantz AV7005
Marantz MM7055
Onkyo DX-755 CdP
Oppo BDP-93
Technics SL-1301/Shure M97xE
Polk RTi A7s
Polk CSi A6
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I'm sure even as inexpensive as Yamaha's can be they have a thermal cut-off. If you aren't tripping the thermal cut-off I wouldn't worry about it unless you have it located in an area with improper ventilation.
But I agree 1000% you are most likely over driving the AVR so it's time to step-up and get an amp, etc or don't run it so hard.
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A fan or any other cooling device won't help if you are driving the amp in your AVR hard enough to make it clip. Turn it down or get an AVR or amplifier with significantly more power. If you are driving it to clipping I'm surprised your speakers are not damaged.TO ERR IS HUMAN. TO FORGIVE IS CANINE.
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If you are driving it to clipping I'm surprised your speakers are not damaged.
That thread he's saving for next week.
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The only way to stop the clipping is to turn it down or get something more powerful. I would suggest getting something more powerful before you destroy those speakers.
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That thread he's saving for next week.
He's already started two identical threads on this topic.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul! -
Only 2? That's great news! He's cutting back - must be using one of those patches.He's already started two identical threads on this topic.
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He's already started two identical threads on this topic.
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I think this is the third or 4th time people have told him to buy an amp if he wants to crank up his stuff but whatever. Seriously it comes up in like most of his threads he starts because he talks about "crankin" the AVR.
Clipping is not good. Buy an amp not a fan. I would rather listen to an amp then a fan blowing all day long with no music because I was dumb and clipped everything and fried my AVR and speakers but to each their own.
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f1nut your teling me the macIntosh 2300 had fans in the rear and that was a bad amp.MAYBE it was a road warrior that the Dead and many other bands used for pure power into a pre-amp and then there was of course many bands using them as their PA power .OF course the WOS was all powered by macs w/ fans2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc -
Do you know of anyone using the McIntosh 2300 in their home kit?Political Correctness'.........defined
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leftwinger57 wrote: »f1nut your teling me the macIntosh 2300 had fans in the rear and that was a bad amp.MAYBE it was a road warrior that the Dead and many other bands used for pure power into a pre-amp and then there was of course many bands using them as their PA power .OF course the WOS was all powered by macs w/ fans
Now your trying to compare a PA amp to home audio amps. I guess it would be hard to hear those fans at a rock concert, but at home in low to moderate listening, a different story.
Can't confirm F1NUT's theory on this, but I did have a Cinepro amp with a fan on it and can honestly say it was annoying. Lots of guts but no glory. Ton's of power but lacked the detail. Great for HT, not so much for music, a tad grainy on the top end.HT SYSTEM-
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Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Turn it down or sell that AVR and go with IceAmp like Pioneer SC-05/07, SC-25/27, SC-35/37Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!
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Hi guys, The question of me pushing the RX-V665 to clipping has been resovlved.I just want to get a few thigs straight so you know exactly what the full storry is.
1. When playing the avr at a reasonably high vol it appearted to get hot.
2 Question 1 was to add a fan which seem almost a50/50 split w/ yes and no.3.Clipping turn out to be a beat Klipsch front which they replaced within 2 weeks for free w/ shipping.
4. As for me blasting , this is a mis nomer, I rarely go below -20 on the vol scale and have Never even heard what the pos+ side of the vol control would do. Yamahas' vol scale goes from -75 to +18 and that has never even been attempted. As for the fan issuse I'm pretty sure I can live w/o one.
5. Now I have heard this about 20x and YES I DO have a seperate power amp,but my pre sounds better than the Yamaharx-v665 I have listed gear so many times I thought there is some decorum needed but I will list later. So
what we have is a H/T system that doesn't really liked to be pushed around to much. After starting my 2-channel rig I wanted to keep both systems seperate and truth be told the Onkyio pre is better than the YAMAHA. Now I hope this settles all debate whether I need cooling fans or not and I think not.So now here's a listing of my final set-up for a while
H/TToshiba AU37>YAMAHA RX-V665 AVR/PRE> kLIPSCH h/t 5oo set speakers w/ 8 in pwrd sub > Denon 1940ci-cdp >Yamaha ysd-11 dock>Shure pro 240 headphones.
2-channel--Adcom gfa555 200 wpc ss amp> Onkyio P-301 pre> Denon 1940ci
cdp>Infinity SM112s refoamed and sound pretty good and can be push better than the small Klipisch's. NOW all you guys know I do have power abound.
One aspect of the Yamaha is their rediculous vol scale which I touched on before. Ohter than that I think this AVR is a high competeter for it's price.
In closing I have toned it down a bit and use my 2-chl rig for fidelity and volume and power. I hope this brings and end to this debate and a great shout out for those who either gave advice or told me the weakness of this
kind of system
Just one other mior point I do apologize for the double post, it seems I'm more
illiterate on this machine than the audio gear we yap about.....Thanks...LW2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc -
Thread Title should have read:
avr gets hot needs ampDo you hear that buzzing noise?
