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DAGLJAM6
DAGLJAM6 Posts: 635
edited April 2011 in Music & Movies
http://www.amazon.com/Moving-Pictures-Deluxe-CD-DVD-Audio/dp/B004MOMT2M/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1301327371&sr=1-3

DVD-AUDIO 2nd Disc......
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited March 2011
    One of my fav. Rush cd's!! I wonder how the remastering sounds.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,655
    edited March 2011
    If it is anything like the Snakes and Arrows DVD-A then it will be very good.:biggrin:
    By the way i pre-ordered mine as soon as i saw the link. hoo-raa I thought for the longets moving pictures would make a great SACD or DVD-Audio....
    Now if someone would just listen to me on the Supertramp goodies :cool:
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited March 2011
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    If it is anything like the Snakes and Arrows DVD-A then it will be very good.:biggrin:
    By the way i pre-ordered mine as soon as i saw the link. hoo-raa I thought for the longets moving pictures would make a great SACD or DVD-Audio....
    Now if someone would just listen to me on the Supertramp goodies :cool:

    Good God, I hope it isnt like the Snakes Arrows CD, which was in the MVI format, not DVD-Audio. The mix was terrible and too airy and light for me. No real balls. However, DVD-A quality should blow the MVI away in terms of audio quality....unless they brickwall the poor thing like they did on the 97 remasters.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited March 2011
    You know what is going to be better than hearing MP on SACD? Hearing it LIVE from start to finish on April 10th from the 19th row on the floor of Madison Square Garden!!! Can't wait for next Sunday. I've seen them more times than I can count, but this is going to be really special...
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  • Almadacr
    Almadacr Posts: 185
    edited March 2011
    Yeap for will be the 20th of april at the bell center .
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited April 2011
    Definately interested to hear your thoughts Mike.

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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    5 more days and then I'm sure you'll be hearing my thoughts too, but not about the SACD :cool:
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  • DAGLJAM6
    DAGLJAM6 Posts: 635
    edited April 2011
    Picked up the DVD-audio set from BB (I really hate that place) but won't be able to give a listen until after work....
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  • intangible
    intangible Posts: 262
    edited April 2011
    Let us know how well done the 5.1 mix is after you guys get the chance to listen to it.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Wondering what format the 24/96 PCM is presented in? Is it possible to rip the 2496 to flac? I exclusively use a squeezebox as my source in my 2 channel system, and would love to try out the hi-rez audio, but not badly enough to go buying a player for it. If the audio is ripp-able, then I'll definitely be buying this.

    I have the Mobile Fidelity version, which is about as good a version of MP as has been available up until now, but even the MFSL doesn't measure up to how I remember this album sounding on vinyl when I was a kid. Not even close. Very curious to hear how this version sounds.
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  • dbaldus
    dbaldus Posts: 730
    edited April 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    Wondering what format the 24/96 PCM is presented in? Is it possible to rip the 2496 to flac? I exclusively use a squeezebox as my source in my 2 channel system, and would love to try out the hi-rez audio, but not badly enough to go buying a player for it. If the audio is ripp-able, then I'll definitely be buying this.

    I have the Mobile Fidelity version, which is about as good a version of MP as has been available up until now, but even the MFSL doesn't measure up to how I remember this album sounding on vinyl when I was a kid. Not even close. Very curious to hear how this version sounds.

    I'm interested in the same thing for the exact same reason... what is the file format for the 24/96 stereo PCM mix on the disc?

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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited April 2011
    I dont know what the file format is but I bought the DVD-A version and I must say I'm a little let down by the sound quality. I have MUCH better sounding DVD-A's in my collection. Nice to have but they could have done so much better IMHO.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited April 2011
    How about the blu ray disc? Has anyone heard it?

    Greg
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited April 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    I was afraid of this since Alex had a hand in the remastering.

    If it's the mastering, we are doomed with either format. Bummer. I will still buy it and listen on both formats though with hope that it sounds nice.


    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Greetings from MSG, Rush fans. We are beginning the day with a friendly voice :-))))
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Sorry I didn't post more during the show last night. AT&T is horrible in NYC, I'm very glad I live out in the boonies where it's a lot more sparse. I had 5 bars of 3G the entire night, but every time I tried to post after that first one failed.

    What a show. They got on at about 8:20, and the show didn't end until 11:30, with a 20 minute break between sets 1 & 2.

    They still have "it" I can tell you that much. They jammed HARD all night, jumping around the stage and having a blast. It's so obvious that the three of them are not just bandmates but best of friends, and they have so much fun doing their thing. I still cannot believe that Geddy can still hit those highs. No signs of any fatigue in his voice.

    And staying on topic with this thread... Seeing them do Moving Pictures start to finish was just great. The first four songs have always been setlist regulars, not necessarily in order. But Camera Eye, Witch Hunt, and Vital Signs are tunes I'd never seen live before, and they did them really, really well. I quite enjoyed Camera Eye, because the accompanying video was all great camera work around New York and London. Seeing a very well produced video with tons of NYC footage in MSG was great, the place went nuts.

    A great mix of oldies and new stuff. They did a few songs off the forthcoming album that sound really hot, plus a lot of good stuff for us old farts to appreciate. Spirit of Radio, Working Man, Closer to the Heart, 2112 parts 1&2, Freewill, Subdivisions, and of course the entire Moving Pictures.

    I shot some video on my iphone. I'll try to get some stuff up on YouTube tonight and share. If you like Moving Pictures (what Rush fan doesn't...) then this is definitely the tour to catch them on. So if they're coming your way, I highly recommend getting tickets.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Very curious how this compares to the mfsl.
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited April 2011
    I was reading on wikipedia that on the original CD releases of Moving Pictures, the opening drum beat on "Tom Sawyer" was missing by mistake. I have one of the original vinyl pressings and it is also missing the drum beat. I always wondered about this since my friend's LP had the beat.

    Anyway, I just picked up the Deluxe Edition [CD + DVD-Audio] from BB today. I saw several copies there for $29 on Friday in the store. When I looked on-line it was $18 so I bought it and did an in-store pick-up. Today there were none on the shelf.
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  • dbaldus
    dbaldus Posts: 730
    edited April 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    The difference is obvious. The remaster is definitely louder and has a bit more clarity, but the MFSL CD has a much warmer, more analog sound that I prefer.

    I'll compare the 2011 remaster to the 20bit remaster later on. This newest version does sound pretty decent tho and I suspect it might be superior to the 20bit remaster. I still have yet to listen to the DVD-A in 2ch mode, so more on that later on too.

    Thanks for doing this - this is cool! A few questions:

    1) What program are you using to perform this comparison?

    2) Would it be possible for you to do the a similar comparison using the DVD-A 2 channel mix vs. the MFSL CD?

    3) What format are the DVD-A files in? I'm wondering if it be possible to rip the 2 ch DVD-A mix to use on my Squeezebox...

    Thanks!

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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    I've used the BeLight/BeSweet to rip the audio out of vobs digitally, without the play/record trick. Have a look at that program, it may work in this case as well. Question is whether the master is worth the hassle if I already have the mfsl.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Yup. The out of print mfsl's go for scary money. Check out what a still-sealed copy of The Wall goes for...
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    Yup. The out of print mfsl's go for scary money. Check out what a still-sealed copy of The Wall goes for...

    Particularly the longbox version:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Pink-Floyd-WALL-MFSL-Sealed-1st-Edition-Longbox-/350108585357?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item5184190d8d

    :eek::eek::eek:
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    So has anyone done an evaluation of the 2496 2-channel yet? My main motivation to buy this set would be if the 2-channel 2496 is audibly superior to the MFSL gold version, and can be captured to hard drive for Squeezebox playback. The MFSL version is very good. Still not as good as I remember it sounding when I was a kid listening to the vinyl, but up until now it is certainly the best version available on cd. I'd love to hear that the 2496 is sounding great, though...
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    It's bizarre to me that people are collecting the sealed versions of these things for the sole purpose of having a collection. Personally, I don't get it, I'd rather collect baseball cards :-)

    Decent buys can be found on the used copies, though. Beware of Amazon sellers. I've had several bad experiences with Amazon guys, where they list under the premium MFSL titles, and then send you the $2.00 original version. You'll eventually get your money back, but it's a pain in the ****.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    Yeah, had that happen a few times on the zon for SACD titles. I've learned to email vendors first before pulling the trigger. If I don't get a response back or can't get a definitive answer, I pass.

    The problem with that strategy is that when you see a title come up for a good price, you want to pull the trigger quickly otherwise someone else might grab it out from under you. In general I like to buy on eBay when you have a picture to look at.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    Listened to 3 different versions since getting this yesterday morning...

    At least it's a great album to have to listen to over and over :biggrin:
    Keiko wrote: »
    The only CD I've recently acquired that sounded better than a MoFi Ultra Disc is the Toshiba, Black Triangle version of DSotM.

    I have the Black Triangle DSOTM. I like the MFSL better, but I haven't listened to the Black Triangle in a while. Maybe I'll give it another spin...

    Tell you what though, in the rare cases where there's a DCC version of the same title as MFSL, I tend to prefer the DCC. Check out MFSL vs. DCC versions of 10cc Soundtrack. Same album. They sound completely different. I'm a big fan of Steve Hoffman's ears.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Thanks. You just saved me some money :-)
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Hah! I just switched to Amica. They're great!
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited April 2011
    My head hurts.....so....anyone care to do a 'MP recap for dummies'? :wink:

    In all the threads I've been trying to read on this:
    * the 5.1 DVD-A and BD version is the primary focus of this release
    * there are varying opinions on how the Multi-channel remastering/mix turned out - some love it, some find it disappointing
    * the 2-channel 'hirez' CD is a misnomer, cuz this is not a remaster or remix, but an upsampling from the original master only.
    * but - some folks like the 2-channel CD and say it is better than the previous MFSL (which sounds 'lifeless'), and the previous remaster release (which sounds 'brittle').

    Does that sound about right?

    I'll still get this on BD/CD and listen for myself.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited April 2011
    Who's saying the MFSL is lifeless? I think the MFSL is pretty awesome. I've only said that I don't think it's as good as my recollections of the vinyl I blasted when I was a kid. I'm primarily interested in a 2-ch improvement over the MFSL, which I had hopes the 2496 would provide, but apparently doesn't. So my advice is that if it's the best 2-ch version you're looking for, MFSL is the way to go if you can find a used copy at a reasonable price. Otherwise, this set sounds like it has a lot to offer in terms of the 5.1 mix and the videos. 5.1 ain't my thing for audio.
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