Niles AC-3 Power Strip

bdtae5656

I have a brand new Niles power strip never used...bought online, it took three weeks to get to me so i took a different approach. I think that they retail for $115 plus shipping? Asking $100 and i'll pay your shipping.

intangible

For reference, I payed $50 shipped for one of these on eBay a week or two ago, and there are quite a few for well under your asking price on eBay at the moment. The Niles products don't seem to hold value anywhere near MSRP. Good luck with the sale.

ViperZ

intangible wrote: »

For reference, I payed $50 shipped for one of these on eBay a week or two ago, and there are quite a few for well under your asking price on eBay at the moment. The Niles products don't seem to hold value anywhere near MSRP. Good luck with the sale.

For reference, this type of information should be pm'd to the seller. Read the rules before posting on the FM, especially threadcrapping.

bdtae5656

Im just trying to get what i paid for it, cant return I've had it to long! Thanks for the heads up tangible btw it is new and unused

intangible

ViperZ wrote: »

For reference, this type of information should be pm'd to the seller. Read the rules before posting on the FM, especially threadcrapping.

The sticky here says nothing of the sort. Alerting the seller and potential buyers of the market value assures that both can negotiate a fair price in good faith. Only alerting the seller is morally hazardous.

ViperZ

I fuss it's very hard to read the sticky above the whole forum for you. Reported your post. Thanks.

Toolfan66

intangible wrote: »

For reference, I payed $50 shipped for one of these on eBay a week or two ago, and there are quite a few for well under your asking price on eBay at the moment. The Niles products don't seem to hold value anywhere near MSRP. Good luck with the sale.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You don't get it, Why post this crap if there was no intrest in it?? Did someone give you a badge to troll the FM?? Next time PM the seller if nothing more just out of respect then leave it up to the seller to adjust the cost if he/she wants too..

intangible

It is immoral to stand by and watch another individual be harmed, in this case by being ripped off, even through the seller's ignorance of market prices as appears to be the case here, without taking action when one can. Even though there was no interest in the item during the brief time it was up, a buyer similarly ignorant of the market price could have come along and been harmed. As I have already stated, ViperZ's suggestion to only inform the seller through a PM creates a moral hazard for the seller and does not guarantee the issue will be resolved.

I'm not "trolling". My goal is to be helpful by providing both sides with information required for a market to function properly. The seller thanked me for providing the information, so I'm not sure why you two have an issue with it.

quadzilla

Yeah, thread crapping makes you a tool. PM is the adult way to deal with it.

codyc1ark

intangible wrote: »

For reference, I payed $50 shipped for one of these on eBay a week or two ago, and there are quite a few for well under your asking price on eBay at the moment. The Niles products don't seem to hold value anywhere near MSRP. Good luck with the sale.

I've had this done to me before. I can't say it's against the rules, but you know in your heart of hearts, and so do other people who have done this, its a dushebag move to blow the OP on asking price publicly, let the buyer do the research. I hope you feel good about doing it.

I'm ANGRY tonight.

txcoastal1

intangible wrote: »

The seller thanked me for providing the information, so I'm not sure why you two have an issue with it.

The seller was speaking from sarcasm....duh....and we 3 and many others have problems when people walk around in the forum and break the rules.

Let me guess you drive 40 miles and hour in a school zone because you are above the rules

maximillian

From the rules sticky: "The seller has the right to ask any price he wants. If you don't like it, don't post a reply and the thread will die by itself, or make a "best offer" through a private message."

bdtae5656, you may want to relist or send the moderators an email to delete the non-essential emails.

intangible

The only reason you would take issue with someone politely filling you in on the market price for a good you are trying to sell would be if you already knew you had it priced too high and were hoping to rip someone off. In that case, you were behaving selfishly and have no reasonable ground to be upset. The fact that so many of you do says a lot about your character.

I have already addressed why just PMing the selling is inappropriate.

When rules, particularly rules as arbitrary as those for an online forum, run counter to moral action, then the rules have to be ignored.

Seriously guys, be adults here. All the hissy fits and ad hominem attacks you can come up with aren't going to make preventing someone from being ripped off inappropriate.

Ricardo

Really?




Really???

Toolfan66

maximillian

The Flea Market on this site isn't Ebay or Craigslist. The rules may not be like a "usual" sale site. They were chosen by Polk's management, and they aren't optional. You don't like the rules then don't sell or shop here.

bdtae5656, again I apologize for being off-topic on your FS thread. I encourage you to contact a moderator and have them shut this thread down. No more discussion is required on the rules issue. Then simply relist.

inspiredsports

intangible wrote: »

It is immoral to stand by and watch another individual be harmed, in this case by being ripped off, even through the seller's ignorance of market prices as appears to be the case here, without taking action when one can. Even though there was no interest in the item during the brief time it was up, a buyer similarly ignorant of the market price could have come along and been harmed. As I have already stated, ViperZ's suggestion to only inform the seller through a PM creates a moral hazard for the seller and does not guarantee the issue will be resolved.

I'm not "trolling". My goal is to be helpful by providing both sides with information required for a market to function properly. The seller thanked me for providing the information, so I'm not sure why you two have an issue with it.

Troll Reported

intangible

No, I do not get it. Frankly, I don't think any of you even know what "it" is, based on your non-attempts to explain yourselves. Cody apparently thinks that in my "heart of hearts" I know informing the seller and potential buyers of the market price is a "dushebag move". Here is how I see it:

1) Seller's asking price is 40-50% higher than market price.
2) I politely inform seller and potential buyers of the market price.
3a) Seller already knew the market price and is attempting to profit off of potential buyer's ignorance. This is good.
4a) Seller does not profit unduly off of others' ignorance.
3b) Seller was genuinely unaware of the market price.
4b) Seller can better price their item. This is good.

I see no downside. Evidently a whole lot of you do, given your insistence that such behavior is just heinous, but as you have yet to explain why exactly you hold such beliefs, I can only assume that you someday hope to be the morally bankrupt seller operating uninterrupted. I really don't see any other reason why the buyer knowing the market price would irritate you so much.

For a forum so full of grown men, this thread is just incredibly childish. If you have some thought you want to express logically, then by all means do so. This really wasn't the place for it, but as it's already spiraled so far off topic (my apologies bdtae5656, as I hope I've made clear by now, my intention in posting originally was only to help you out) I will be happy to consider and address any points you might make.


Edit:
The Flea Market on this site isn't Ebay or Craigslist. The rules may not be like a "usual" sale site. They were chosen by Polk's management, and they aren't optional. You don't like the rules then don't sell or shop here.

Sure, why not. What I don't understand is why so many people who I have never met feel the need to attack me personally for accidentally running afoul of the rules while attempting to help people out. Particularly since those people do not appear to be able to articulate why exactly it irritates them so much.

Toolfan66

I will pay more for something if:

1) I know I can trust the seller.
2) I know it has been taken care of.

But thanks for being the public troll police. you just made some new friends here.

gdb

I can't speak for eprey and their dubious sellers but.........Amazon is currently selling this item for more $$ than is being asked by bdtae5656 here in the FM.($134.96 ) Other reputable e-tailers have it for even more than Amazon or bdtae5656 !

ViperZ

intangible wrote: »

Sure, why not. What I don't understand is why so many people who I have never met feel the need to attack me personally for accidentally running afoul of the rules while attempting to help people out. Particularly since those people do not appear to be able to articulate why exactly it irritates them so much.

I have not tried to attack you personally in any way, shape or form in my original message. YOU had no interest in buying the item in question, but still trolled on the thread. The flea market on this site is one of the best buy/sell forums you'll ever find. One of the reasons why it is so is because forum members here respect each other. Like someone else already said, if you don't like the rules of the house, then feel free to leave.

intangible

ViperZ wrote: »

I have not tried to attack you personally in any way, shape or form in my original message. YOU had no interest in buying the item in question, but still trolled on the thread. The flea market on this site is one of the best buy/sell forums you'll ever find. One of the reasons why it is so is because forum members here respect each other. Like someone else already said, if you don't like the rules of the house, then feel free to leave.

Well, I figure after this fiasco of a thread I will be leaving whether I want to or not.

I don't know who many times I have to tell you people, I was not "trolling" or "threadcrapping" or whatever other ridiculous term you want to use. I came into the thread, realized that I knew something about the subject that the OP did not, in this case the market price of the AC-3, having just finished shopping for one, and tried to help him and any potential buyers out by letting him know. As should be obvious from the start of the thread, I did not know that posting in a thread where I did not intend to purchase the item was against the rules. That happens in a large number of threads here; I didn't think anything of it.

At this point, a large number of people proceeded to act in what I would consider a rude and childish manner, so I explained my actions. This resulted in more people responding the same way, so I explained further. Then I explained further. At no point did anyone bother telling me why they found said actions so offensive. I still don't know. If the issue was really just that it is against the rules then the issue would have ended after your post indicating you had marked the offending message and my response indicating why it was posted.

If this was really one of the best forums around because of the respect it's members have for one another, then this thread should have never devolved into what it did. Quadzilla, TOOLFORLIFEFAN, Keiko, and all of the others whose only contributions to the thread were to call me names clearly do not respect me, or they would have taken me at my word that I am posting with good intentions, if not the first time then the second or third after I gave what seem to me very clear explanations of those intentions. At the very least, I would expect someone who views said explanations as dishonest to tell me why, rather than simply calling me a troll for the fifth time.

DMara

It's simple.
First, You haven't earned your respect yet, so don't expect anybody to respect you. Very very simple.
Second, the best way to communicate with seller when you don't agree with his/her price quote is to send a private message. Very very simple.
You don't want to understand that, therefore you kept explaining this and that.

intangible

The "respect must be earned" attitude is for those who want to treat others like crap and feel justified. I have no idea who any of you are but respected you enough to explain my thoughts a number of times and to give you a chance to explain yours in return. Instead, almost 30 posts in, I've still got people calling me names like "flea market police" and insisting that posting 'the way I do it is better, why can't you see that' without bothering to explain why they believe their way is better. This is a pretty classic case of a group attempting to marginalize well-reasoned beliefs that run counter to their own through ad hominem attacks and general group think, and I'm sorry to have wasted so much of my time trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.

Toolfan66

intangible wrote: »

, and I'm sorry to have wasted so much of my time trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.

And yet you continue...:rolleyes:

We are not on you because it's you personally,it's because we find it wrong around here to threadcrap on someones FM thread. If we thought you we're right we would not have taken it this far. it's real simple!!! it's not the way we do things around here...Now I'm sorry to have tried to get this through to you "AGAIN"..

Now why not just move on and let it go??

joeparaski

intangible wrote: »

For reference, I payed $50 shipped for one of these on eBay a week or two ago, and there are quite a few for well under your asking price on eBay at the moment. The Niles products don't seem to hold value anywhere near MSRP. Good luck with the sale.

Did YOU do any research on the product??? YES or NO? USED ones are selling in the $80 range on Ebay and on Amazon is around $135 NEW!

Just because YOU got one for $50 is irrelevant (I bet its used-the sellers' is new). You based the "market value" on what YOU paid for yours. At the moment there are 3 selling on ebay, none of which are $50 shipped. So where do I get one of your "market value" strips for $50???

The sellers' price in the op was fair in my opinion. You need to apologize to the seller. And that sir, is why everybody got on your case.

Joe

maximillian

It doesn't matter what the seller was selling it for. He could be selling it for $10K and it was obviously run over by a truck. Stick to the rules. If we don't then the FM will someday be yanked.

intangible, I never attacked you. I simply stated to stick to the rules or don't sell. For some reason you don't want to respect and obey the rules set by Polk. Polk is not in the business of providing a flea market. So they have a basic set of rules to keep this place civil. Don't like them, don't participate.

intangible

TFLF, I don't understand why you find it "wrong" or "threadcrapping" or whatever you want to call it to discuss the market price of an item in a thread dedicated to its sale. It seems rather on topic to me and of use to both the seller and potential buyers, as I have already detailed. No one appears to have any interest in discussing that.

Joe, if you look at completed listings, the ones priced that high do not sell. The one that did sell went for under $50 shipped, albeit used. There were three or four more completed listings in that range when I was shopping for one a couple of weeks ago. I was just letting the seller know and have already apologized to the seller for his thread being derailed.

Maximillian, the general outrage here is not due to my breaking the rules, as people post in topics for items they have no intent to purchase all the time without it issue. People have a specific issue with discussion of the value of the product.

inspiredsports

intangible wrote: »

The "respect must be earned" attitude is for those who want to treat others like crap and feel justified. I have no idea who any of you are but respected you enough to explain my thoughts a number of times and to give you a chance to explain yours in return. Instead, almost 30 posts in, I've still got people calling me names like "flea market police" and insisting that posting 'the way I do it is better, why can't you see that' without bothering to explain why they believe their way is better. This is a pretty classic case of a group attempting to marginalize well-reasoned beliefs that run counter to their own through ad hominem attacks and general group think, and I'm sorry to have wasted so much of my time trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.

Negotiate a price (via PM) and purchase the item the OP is listing or go away.

kawizx9r

Bump for bdtae5656.

jflail2

intangible wrote: »

TFLF, I don't understand why you find it "wrong" or "threadcrapping" or whatever you want to call it to discuss the market price of an item in a thread dedicated to its sale. It seems rather on topic to me and of use to both the seller and potential buyers, as I have already detailed. No one appears to have any interest in discussing that.

No one's interested, because that's simply not how it works here. The buyer states a price, and then you either PM him/her and say "Yo, your price is too high, here are other examples that are cheaper" or you simply don't buy it.

Why is this so difficult for you to digest? There is simply nothing to discuss here. It is the way it is. If you don't like it, don't bother with purchasing in the FM.

Your persistent flogging of the dead horse leads me to believe that you've either been properly tagged as a troll, or you've got one of the worst cases of ADD on earth.