2.3TL Tweeter safety

brgman
brgman Posts: 2,859
edited March 2011 in Vintage Speakers
Can this "safetyguard" for the tweets be eliminated or the values changed.I realize i need to tread a little lightly if it's eliminated.It just drives me **** when i have 'em right where i want 'em and then they go limp.:rolleyes:
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I’M OFFENDED!!!!
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  • stubby
    stubby Posts: 723
    edited March 2011
    I removed mine and haven't looked back. Are yours tripping frequently? What amp are you driving them with?

    If you don't feel comfortable without them, you can procure new ones. Can't remember if Polk still has these in stock.

    stubby
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  • jim 249
    jim 249 Posts: 347
    edited March 2011
    They can be bought from Parts Express. They are not that expensive.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited March 2011
    Don't want the darn things.They trip more than i like.I have a Sunfire 400x5 but just using the 2 channels through a parasound 2100.I just like it too damn loud.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    you can remove the polyswitch,,replace it,, or jump it,, or use a .5 ohm resistor in its' place,, the latter two offer no protection though,,I removed mine years ago and have not experienced any issues.Just be sure to power them with a high current amp,,and be responsible with the volume control and you'll be fine.Good luck.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited March 2011
    "be responsible with the volume control and you'll be fine"

    WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?!?:eek:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,567
    edited March 2011
    WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?!?

    I see a whole lot of new tweeters in your future.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited March 2011
    brgman wrote: »
    "be responsible with the volume control and you'll be fine"

    WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?!?:eek:

    I don't know your age, but I'd worry more about your ears than your tweeters.

    A new RDO-198 sounds as good as new after a few weeks :biggrin:, but hearing aids always sound like schizz :frown:
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited March 2011
    I removed my polyswitches a year ago, and have had no issues, even at high volumes. I do run the risk of blowing a tweeter, but I have a spare set, anyway.
    Ludicrous gibs!
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2011
    I always remove them and find them unnecesary.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited March 2011
    I have spare tweeters but no spare ears.
    Mother knows best i guess.She told me around 1973 i'd go deaf someday (and blind too).And both are happening!:redface:
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  • jim 249
    jim 249 Posts: 347
    edited March 2011
    Invest in a ratshack sound level meter. I have one and use it all the time to check the volume of my speakers. My ears are getting weaker too, the older you get the worse it will be.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,567
    edited March 2011
    brgman wrote: »
    I have spare tweeters but no spare ears.
    Mother knows best i guess.She told me around 1973 i'd go deaf someday (and blind too).And both are happening!:redface:

    A sense of humor, bravo!

    The issue that only you can figure out is whether the poly switches are old and tripping too early or if your amp is clipping and the poly switches are doing their job.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited March 2011
    I can put my 3.1's thru hell without a hiccup so i reckon it's the poly switches.
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  • stubby
    stubby Posts: 723
    edited March 2011
    ^^^ You do realize your 3.1's do not have polys?
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited March 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    ...or if your amp is clipping and the poly switches are doing their job.
    Clipping in itself doesn't trip the poly,exceeding it's current rating is what does.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited March 2011
    stubby wrote: »
    ^^^ You do realize your 3.1's do not have polys?
    yep.i know and i have never blown a tweet.i'm still learning so i am not sure if that means the 2.3tl's would be safe at my listening levels also?
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  • stubby
    stubby Posts: 723
    edited March 2011
    I would say with the amp you are using, you should be safe at similar listening levels to the 3.1's. That's not gospel, mind you.
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  • Jack A
    Jack A Posts: 77
    edited March 2011
    I am doing a Monitor 10b xo upgrade and have been told to remove the fuse and bridge the + wire to the terminal post. Is this ok?
    Clarajack
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited March 2011
    The major point here that needs to be reinforced is that quality amplification is what is needed.

    All of the safety features (fuses, polyswitches) that degrade sound quality and should be removed are there to protect the drivers from problems with an amplifier being over-driven.

    Use common sense and a good amp and you will enjoy better sound quality with these items removed.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited March 2011
    brgman wrote: »
    yep.i know and i have never blown a tweet.i'm still learning so i am not sure if that means the 2.3tl's would be safe at my listening levels also?

    You may want to replace the Polyswitches in those 2.3tl's if you like loud listening. Over time they become easily tripped. New ones should not trip as easy and still give you some peace of mind. Considering how much new tweeters cost polyswitches are money well spent.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited March 2011
    I will probably try new ones and see if that works out.$48 a crack times 6 could get real expensive real fast.
    Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC

    Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords

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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,102
    edited March 2011
    brgman wrote: »
    I will probably try new ones and see if that works out.$48 a crack times 6 could get real expensive real fast.
    First Guess: Overdriving the tweeters would result in only two tweeters "at risk" because the other two pair are deliberately rolled off at progressively lower frequencies.
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