The Advent Loudspeaker

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  • Cayuga
    Cayuga Posts: 480
    edited March 2011
    Let the restoration begin!
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  • Cayuga
    Cayuga Posts: 480
    edited March 2011
    Let the restoration begin!
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited March 2011
    George Grand wrote: »
    Drive a classic New England speaker with enough power and the laid-backness disappears.

    There is truth to this statement. I (the vacuum tube snob) had a pretty ear-opening (and earwax dissolving) experience with a borrowed (early) Parasound amplifier and a pair of AR-14s that happen to live here.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2011
    George Grand wrote:
    Drive a classic New England speaker with enough power and the laid-backness disappears.

    "Laid back" sounding speakers is not necessarily a bad thing....
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited March 2011
    ...in my early years i always had 2 sets of speakers for the reasons as stated here. Love the Advents with vinyl and tubes (St70 Dynaco). But for parties and ROCK there was nothing like the JBL Century 100's. But after hearing Maggies there was NO going back. Of course Maggies are a different breed....not for ROCK....but O so sweet for acoustic , jazz and vocals.
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  • Cayuga
    Cayuga Posts: 480
    edited March 2011
    This has been an interesting thread, I wonder how many guys under 50 posted.
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    edited March 2011
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Somewhat recessed (the opposite of "forward" - cf. the JBL studio monitors) but with good transient detail (not unlike the early consumer Polk Audio "High Definition" Monitor Series loudspeakers). The New England (AR, KLH, Advent, Allison, EPI, AVID, etc.) loudspeakers also generally had prodigious bass output (albeit requiring high power to display it to best effect due to low sensitivity) with well-damped (some would say over-damped) bass.

    The traditional reference to "the New England sound" was akin to listening to an orchestra from mid-hall seats in a large and well-designed concert hall. Very different than the hyper-present (even etched) sound of the "West Coast" monitors (of which, to my ear, the JBLs were the most egregious examples).

    I'll file this under, learning something new everyday, thanks. No one has really chimed in on the "Polk Sound" and where it fits in. Having worked with Matthew I know the eq curve he seemed to gravitate to. I am interested in what others have to say. Cheers. :cool:
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2011
    Cayuga wrote: »
    This has been an interesting thread, I wonder how many guys under 50 posted.
    Mental 50 or physical 50? :smile:

    Good decision on the refurb... With patience via ebay you should be able to easily halve the cost of the $85 replacement woofer. And there are plenty of speaker refoam vid's on the net to demistify that process.

    OLA's complete my little Kloss trilogy... AR 3a's, KLH 5's and OLA's.
    More later,
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited March 2011
    To have the full Kloss monty, you need a pair of CSW Model Sixes, too.
    Just sayin'.

    The Polk Sound was more akin to the British "monitors" of the day - I'd opine that it was a tad livelier than the OLAs... but what do I know?!?

    Advent.jpg
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2011
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    To have the full Kloss monty...
    An image I re-e-e-e-e-eally didn't need... :eek:
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • DON73
    DON73 Posts: 516
    edited March 2011
    Cayuga wrote: »
    This has been an interesting thread, I wonder how many guys under 50 posted.





    I would like to be 50 again:biggrin:
    TO ERR IS HUMAN. TO FORGIVE IS CANINE.
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  • DON73
    DON73 Posts: 516
    edited March 2011
    Cayuga wrote: »
    I was given a pair of 1973 Advents, the cabs are in good shape and the tweeters seem to be OK. The problem is the woofers, the foam is gone in one speaker and much to my surprise the woofer missing in the other speaker. Are these worth fixing? Can I find a replacement woofer? Your thoughts please. I will post pictures if that helps.





    There is a LOT of information on Advents on the "Classic Speaker Forum"
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  • Cayuga
    Cayuga Posts: 480
    edited March 2011
    Thanks for all the info and feedback, I've gone to all the sites. If winter ever end in Syracuse, I'm going to start the refurb on these. Again I need a woofer or two, so if you know of one let me know. Thanks
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited March 2011
    Tour2ma wrote: »
    An image I re-e-e-e-e-eally didn't need... :eek:

    mmm... Henry was a big man, now that you mention it... sorry :-P


    henrykloss.jpg

    http://newenglandsoundscape.com/henrykloss.html

    EDIT: Winter never ends in Syracuse, as best I can remember...
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  • Cayuga
    Cayuga Posts: 480
    edited March 2011
    Winter does end in Syracuse, that's the week we play golf. I'm glad Henry spent time designing speakers rather than jogging.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited March 2011
    yeah... but if he'd done a little Pilates, maybe he'd still be with us...
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2011
    BTW... Advent Corp. was all about projection TV. Purpose of everything else (the speakers, the first dolby cassette) was to fund video research and development. Here's a link to one memorial article.


    The result of the R&D was the Videobeam 1000. It had a ton of idiosyncrasies, but it was the first. Here's a link to its brochure.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited March 2011
    Tour2ma wrote: »
    BTW... Advent Corp. was all about projection TV. Purpose of everything else (the speakers, the first dolby cassette) was to fund video research and development. Here's a link to one memorial article.


    The result of the R&D was the Videobeam 1000. It had a ton of idiosyncrasies, but it was the first. Here's a link to its brochure.

    Exactly so. Ol' Henry was a bit ahead of his time.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2011
    There was also an Advent "Spatial Controller" surround processor that was ahead of its time along with the ADS 10 digital job.
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  • thesurfer
    thesurfer Posts: 574
    edited March 2011
    If advents were that great,, where are they now????
    Not an Audiophile, just a dude who loves music, and decent gear to hear it with.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2011
    After the founder left the company, they went downhill, sold the name to a large company and have never been the same. As has been mentioned, the person behind Advent was Henry Kloss. If you have any interest in HiFi and it's history, Henry Kloss is someone you need to know about.

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-iiQiANEa2wM/learn/reviews/20030805/henry_kloss.html?page=1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kloss
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  • Cayuga
    Cayuga Posts: 480
    edited March 2011
    The Advents from Mr. Kloss's day are in homes all over the world.
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  • thesurfer
    thesurfer Posts: 574
    edited March 2011
    nap wrote: »
    I'll file this under, learning something new everyday, thanks. No one has really chimed in on the "Polk Sound" and where it fits in. Having worked with Matthew I know the eq curve he seemed to gravitate to. I am interested in what others have to say. Cheers. :cool:
    I did ask, where folks thought the polk sound fit,, no replys.
    Not an Audiophile, just a dude who loves music, and decent gear to hear it with.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2011
    That's a tough question to answer, because I believe Polks have their own sound, especially vintage Polks like the SDAs? In that case it's neither N.E. nor West Coast because of the SDA-effect.

    The newer Polks like Rti-As are brighter and more forward than most N.E. classics, which have been described, above, as more laid back (but they don't boom out bass-lines in the same way as classic JBLs)--one might think to try to compare the N.E. sound to LSIs? But I'm not sure that works either. I have a set of Model 6s sitting on shelves above my LSI-7s and they are different--hard to put into words. The LSIs have more detail but the KLHs have a bit smoother 'vocals'?

    Actually, I'd say that my Monitor 5s with the Peerless are a 'bit' more like a N.E. speaker? Others can chime in...because I'm getting a headache trying to pigeonhole Polk speakers. I really do think they are in yet another 'group'.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2011
    thesurfer wrote: »
    I did ask, where folks thought the polk sound fit,, no replys.
    You had one prior to cnh's above...
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The Polk Sound was more akin to the British "monitors" of the day - I'd opine that it was a tad livelier than the OLAs... but what do I know?!?

    And I missed this earlier...
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The same woofer was also used in the venerable Dahlquist DQ-10.
    Yup... Excepting the distinctive reverse roll of the foam surround, which I thought was a cool little twist.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2011
    IMO Polks are very middle of the road (generally speaking) with their sound signature. Not "bright" like the entry/mid level B&W or Klipsch...Not laid back like the so called "New England" sound or smooth like Vienna Acoustics.

    And in this case "middle of the road" is not a bad thing...but more of a speaker that will appeal to a broad spectrum of listeners...which is a key factor in their success.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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